A Response to Alex Linder
October 12, 2009 
145 Comments
Alex Linder of Vanguard News Network has responded to our previous post. He begins with a nice compliment:
This is certainly one of the top five blogs out there for pure quality of writing, humor, and all around editorial goodness. That said, SWB is Christian, and while it laments anti-White practices of most of the modern church, it also attacks good old-fashioned evidence-based WNism. It turns out, you see, everybody needs a savior.
Indeed, and throughout history almost no one has denied it, although there have been vast differences in how God is perceived. The Kinist God is the God of the Bible, not the god of William Pierce or any other charlatan who tries to play upon the universal need for spiritual validation by inventing unfalsifiable stories, and in the end, when he realizes that the god of his vain imagination is as lifeless as totems of wood and stone, turns to the only life he knows and makes a god of his race, which is just another way of saying that his god is his own self. Of all religions in the world, the ambassador of only one came as the Son of the Creator and Law-Giver, and He did what no other man could do or would do: He died in our place to satisfy the penalty of our sin. Therefore we live, not because of enlightenment or karma but because Christ first loved us. Miracles confirmed His authority, His Word, and the appointment of His prophets and apostles who gave us the Bible.
All we have sought to do as Kinists is teach that the Bible does not condone the destruction of the white race that is advocated by modern churches. Again and again, true to our ancestors, we have disproved Linder’s belief that “the Bible says nothing about race.” We have shown that the vast majority of Christendom has opposed the deracinating impulses of our time. This does not matter to Linder because he only cares about what the churches are doing currently. In his mind, this is sufficient confirmation for his belief that Christianity has always been useless. He has many misunderstandings about what we believe, and I doubt that any explanation we could offer would dissuade him from his presuppositions and presumptions, but what follows is a response to some of what he has written, in no particular order.
First, here are some quotes from Linder so you can get a feel for his ideas.
[O]ur most learned scholars agree that HE [Jesus] DIDN’T EVEN EXIST…
The Christians say it was faith that built the cathedrals, but the truth says anyone who figures out the engineering principles can do it…
Christianity did not begin as a kin religion, but precisely as the opposite – as an association of unhappy scum in the declining Roman empire. It began as a loser love cult. Family had absolutely nothing to do with Christianity, which broke families apart. Or perhaps [Jesus] didn’t mean it when he told his dolts to abandon their mother and father if they balked at [following Him]…
Our “most learned scholars” have never explained away the evidence and eyewitness testimony presented in the Bible, which would hold up in any court of law. For instance, the Jewish leaders could have done one simple thing to end Christianity forever: produce the dead body of Jesus. The disciples were hiding in fear while Roman centurions guarded the tomb under penalty of death. The Bible tells us what happened next. No one believes that, if the disciples (who Linder calls “unhappy scum”) had conspired to overcome the guards and had somehow succeeded in convincing a mob to risk their lives in a grand lie, they would have sacrificed their own lives afterwards. If the disciples actually stole the body and if the guards managed to escape, the guards would have fled to the Roman army for reinforcements. They certainly would not have gone to the chief priests and elders of the Jews to accept a bribe. So much for our “most learned scholars.”
Neo-pagan white nationalists are vexed that the semi-deified white men of Europe accepted the Christian “superstition” unanimously. Therefore, it becomes necessary for Linder to develop an excuse for their temporary blindness. He says their “gullibility was merely transferred from an oak tree to a jew on a stick.” One wonders how such a gullible and backward people got anywhere in life. Then Linder returns to the script and assures us that their faith in Christ did not transform them. With their innate brilliance, all they needed was time to learn engineering, he says, but not as much time as it took for an amoeba to grow into Isaac Newton.
“Engineering principles” have never inspired anyone. Although the swastika is a beautiful symbol, Nazis did not create it. Nazi art and architecture were hideous, for the most part, as Leni Riefenstahl, a true artist, knew. The greatest art and science in the world have been the gifts of Christians, Germans among them. Excellence is driven by the desire to glimpse the divine. We don’t deny the genetic component at work, but we call this a gift from God as well. Again, if atheists want to prove that high civilization is simply a matter of cold “engineering principles,” nothing is preventing them from creating works of art that last for hundreds of years and inspire countless generations and actually advance our understanding. How much longer must we wait?
Linder writes:
The church, as I’ve said eighty times, ignored the jews until an apostate Donin pointed out what was in the jewbooks.
Donin exposed the anti-Christian bias of the Talmud in the time of Pope Gregory IX, but before the Talmud was even written, the Apostle Paul wrote this:
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. (1 Thess. 2:14-16)
A man without a good understanding of the Bible should never profess to understand the scope of Western history. Linder’s wild misconceptions of what the Bible actually teaches can be stunning, but his real hang-up is with the idea that Christianity is universal. Like Nietzsche, he believes that religion is fabricated to compensate for masculine inadequacies. But if forced to practice some kind of religion, he would insist that it be confined to the white race, because the white race is his true god. He writes:
Christianity is in fact and long practice UNIVERSAL rather than race specific, and this means it will never be anything but a blinder preventing men from applying Occam’s Razor to the multicultural world they see around them.
If there is no possibility of some degree of unity with those who are not like us then war will be our lot perpetually. We see that the pluriform God created a pluriform humanity that will thrive and know peace only when there is a proper balance to “the one and the many.” Without Christ, centralization and consolidation are unrestrained, not only in government but in everything. Mankind is not meant for a future in Oceania. There is no other route to a blissful future than through the cross, for only then do we realize God’s purpose in a spiritually unified but physically variegated humanity, just as He created us, in His own image. What other “holy” books teach this? What other “prophets” have spoken it? Where is it found in the science textbooks? How else could multiculturalism ever be challenged? Linder’s solution to the problem is to exterminate his enemies, but this solution denies the nature of God and the nature of man and puts Linder in the place of God to judge what is good and what is evil, just like Nietzsche’s “Superman.” In other words, it is the very oldest sin, the sin of pride.
From this throne of pride, Linder becomes what he hates. As “James Thornwell” commented at VNN, Linder is defending atheism in the same way that a Jew named Gordon Stein defended it. When Stein met Greg Bahnsen the “results were not pretty.” While not a Christian, even Hitler called atheism “the state of the animal.” He also considered neo-paganism to be senseless because “Our old mythology had ceased to be viable when Christianity implanted itself.” Why did it cease to be viable? For one, because it has never entered into the mind of a pagan to feed and clothe strangers out of love, like the Good Samaritan.
For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:46-48)
Likewise, in 1 Timothy 5:8, we are told that even infidels care for their own, and Christians are rebuked as worse than infidels when they do not.
This brings us right back to the Christian pursuit of global unity versus the atheist pursuit of extermination. We grant that in the last 60 years Christians have often failed in this goal because they have pursued an absolute, Babelistic unity rather than a pluriform unity in spiritual communion. But consider the way forward. Christians today of a pre-modern stripe dominate secession movements. They seek to devolve power from a tyrannical central government and return it to their own localities, as the founders intended for a federal republic. Meanwhile, atheists and national socialists are working towards absolute unity to construct an iron hammer which will smite the enemies of the white race. We often ask neo-Babelist Christians how their ideology would ever allow for national borders between two Christian nations, and they are unable to answer because they view race and ethnicity as irrelevant. We ask the same question of the VNN crowd: How do your unitarian views allow for diversity within the race? When have national socialists ever allowed devolution of the megastate? What evidence do we have that they ever will?
Linder blames the carnage of the world wars on Christians rather than on those who embezzled the capital of Christendom for the benefit of anti-Christs and in pursuit of global domination.
There are many other groundless accusations against Kinists. We deny that ruthlessness is equal to self-defense. We deny that only Christians are heroic or fertile. We deny that “No one ever breathed until Christianity. No one ever invented anything. No one ever thought. No one ever cooked food. No one ever was nice to his neighbor, looked after his kids, fought to defend his community – no one ever did anything good until Christianity appeared.” I fail to see how anyone could accuse us of believing this. We have always praised the honor of the white race as it was created by God, even before it came to know Him.
Linder states that National Socialist Germany “placed more value on motherhood” for the 12 years it existed than Christian Germany did in 1,300 years. We are very glad that women in Nazi Germany had many children, but it’s silly to call them “NS German women.” The Nazis were around for a few years, but Germans have existed for thousands. An honest historian would give Martin Luther far more credit than Hitler for German distrust of Jews, and would give Christianity far more credit than Nazism for German integrity. But let’s try not to conflate too much. Germans were gifted with a very rich pre-Christian heritage by their Creator. The Christian faith did not radically change them, but it did complete them. It disposed of the idolatry that hindered them (Isaiah 57:5) and gave them the means to live more abundantly. It would be as foolish to identify the people of 1940s Germany with the party that ruled them as it would be for a historian 70 years from now to identify Americans in the present day as Jews. But we need to give credit where it’s due, and we are not the kind who dismiss Hitler as the spawn of Satan simply because Jews want us to believe it. He did many things that were good and many things that were bad.
Hitler is not the issue. The issue at hand is whether a philosophy of atheism has ever met our challenge of founding a society and causing it to thrive by encouraging childbirth, caring for the poor, improving education, building wealth, and doing all the other things that numerous Christian societies have done. Linder claims that Nazi Germany wins the challenge, but this is absurd, because even he admits that the Nazis were not atheists, at least not formally. Most Germans never rejected the Christian faith in the short time that Hitler was in power, and I doubt that Hitler himself would have dared to take credit for Germany’s greatness. There is no doubt that he helped Germany by removing obstacles such as debt slavery, but this is not the same thing. One of the proofs that atheism is not a creative force is that the people today who admire what they call the atheism of the Third Reich are not known for doing any of the creative acts that Christians do routinely.
If God is not real then sin is not real and neither is evil. Thus, Jews are merely “clever” in seeking their own advantage, Linder believes. But if this is true then whites are free to stoop to any level to seek their own advantage, including lying, cheating, stealing, and as Linder fantasizes frequently, killing. By no objective measure could the West have ever risen to its greatness if it had been founded upon such selfishness and vainglory.
Here again, we see that the “rational” approach of Darwinists is anything but rational; it is subjective on one face and fatalistic on the other. By either flip of the coin, it is standardless and seeks progress through barbarism.
Linder writes:
Instead of crying over your “sinning,” why not just change your behavior, if it hurts you so bad? That’s the Aryan way to approach it.
No, that is not the Aryan way, and if it ever was, you can see why even Hitler recognized that “it ceased to be viable.” This is the madness and dead tissue which the atheist-Darwinist-white nationalist seeks to reanimate.
Linder admires H.L. Mencken more than anyone, and I see the similarities. But for all of his polish, Mencken was an iconoclast, not a truth-teller. He translated Nietzsche’s book, The Antichrist, and it’s easy to see a common line drawn from Nietzsche to Mencken to Linder and other neo-pagans. The final page of their life story involves dying childless and alone. I don’t mean that in a condescending way; I only mean to point out that the actual history of the West has depended on the graciousness of the Lord of Life. He preserved us through the ages when we did not know Him, but neo-pagans think we saved ourselves, even though many other peoples down through history have utterly perished.
If Life was our genetic destiny regardless of Christ, why did Nietzsche, Mencken, Spengler, Oliver, Ludovici, Yockey, and on and on, not leave a legacy to prove that their atheism and skepticism could provide the West with a future that was at least comparable to Christianity? William Pierce had children, but they rejected him, and Kevin Strom became his “son” instead. Now, if a man doesn’t want to get married and have children, that’s his business, but one would expect that if saving the West is paramount, at least some of these men would practice what they preach. No, their lines have died off because their philosophy itself is dead. All who hate Christ love death, even if they don’t realize it (Proverbs 8:36).
If the highest good is to have white children and save the white race, and Christians are doing this times three but atheists are nowhere near replacement level, then on the face of it, even a Darwinist should conclude that Christianity = Life, and Atheism = Sterility. Which is more rational, life or death?
This BBC article is about some faithful Christians in central Illinois, pastored by James McDonald, who view children as a blessing. While some in the church have unfortunately “adopted children from around the world,” meaning, for the most part, black boys and Chinese girls, even a self-described “radical secularist” recognizes that they are doing far more than anyone else to prevent what he calls “race suicide.” Even when white Christians foolishly “adopt” strangers, any fool can see that they do it because they love children, and they love children because they love their Lord and are grateful for the blessings He has bestowed on them, including their kin. While atheists talk about saving the white race, Christians are doing it, in spite of their errors.
This, my friends, is why atheism is dead, why Christianity is alive, and why our European ancestors could do nothing but fall to their knees and repent. Like Isaiah (6:5), they exclaimed, “Woe is me, for I am undone!” Like Job (40:4), they could only say, “Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer You? I lay my hand over my mouth.”
Sorry, that should’ve read, “Not one of them can be conclusively demonstrated to have been written before 70 CE.” Also, I’m still waiting on an answer as to why, IF the canonical gospels were penned by the alleged apostles at an early date, there’s no reference to them by Christian writers before the mid to late 2nd century. Is it conceivable that, had they been extant, this could possibly be the case?
Alex, for some reason I have yet to fully grasp, the phenomenon (of which Lynda is a prime example) of Christians charging non-Christian nationalists with being Jews or in their employ is widespread. I guess they really believe it, I don’t know, but if so they’ve succumbed to paranoia. Not that there probably aren’t some Jews who pose as WN’s. I’m sure there are, but Christians need to realize that there actually are a lot of non-Christian WN’s who don’t believe Jesus existed and that Christianity isn’t good for Whites, etc. And they aren’t Jewish. Insisting they are, with no proof, is to lie as you noted.
You are not a slob Linder. And if you do not want me to address you as a Jew, then stop arguing like one.
“A rose by any other name…”
That you say you are writing here under your own name impresses me not at all. There is such a thing as immunity for those who are servicable to ZOG. Their role is to lay out the hate bait, provoke and call others out. There are thousands of blogs on the net that are set up to feed the international data bases for the prosecution of hate crimes.
The U.S. Hate Bill was signed into law on Oct 27, 2009. Do not miss the Rev Ted Pike’s “Zionist Puppet Obama to Sign Free Speech Killing Hate Bill” http://www.rense.com/general88/zpup.htm.
A convicted child rapist now has more legal protection in the JUSA than a white journalist reporting the black on white crimes suppressed by the Jewish media aka mainstream media, has more protection than a home school teaching the factual history of the Bolshevik Revolution; has more protection than Rev Ted Pike’s campaign to inform America about ZOG – etc.
Also of note on Rense this week is The Ten Commandments of the Holocaust Religion.
The reason why the Church was in the catacombs for 300 years was because of persecution.
The Jewish-invented religion Christianity is so outdated and boring, a very weak religion in modern times – The West is waiting for a suitable replacement for it.
Jesus was a cool guy, but he never met to invent a new religion, he just wanted to kick some Jew ass.
Very interesting discussion here.
My question to the Kinists would be, if the Bible condemns miscegenation, what is your explanation/apology for Numbers 12, where in verse one it reads:
“And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.”
Following that a debate about Moses’ sole authority as God’s spokesman erupts. If God’s most important prophet was married to an Ethiopian (or Cushite) woman, and was not condemned for it, that would seem to invalidate the entire Kinist position, at least as I see it.
Alex Linder states:
“So where are you christian heroes, then, these men of certainty? I see not a one. Was there ever a Christian army as brave and competent as the German ‘atheist’ NS? Not by any standard of evidence.”
I think this is a bit hyperbolic. The Knights of Malta in battling the Turk were exemplars of bravery against impossible odds and certainly competent enough to succeed; The Venetians, Spaniards etc. at Lepanto I would also consider equals of the Wehrmacht in those qualities.
Debate Over Christian Substance DELIBERATELY Confused Now By Ever-Greater Mass Of Text, Verbosity, And Plain Evasions
(Apollonian, 30 Oct 09)
Indeed, this discussion for this blog and topic, esp. regarding Christianity, is getting massive, esp. given the gross evasions esp. of the moderator here at SWB.
For both Linder/VNN and moderator/admin at SWB MIS-REPRESENT Christian aesthetic–which must be appreciated first and most as LITERATURE, I say again, no less than majestic Homeric epics, Illiad and Oddysey, which featured similar “miraculous”-styled events which Linder/VNN (or other pretended non-Christians) do not excoriate.
Linder/VNN wants to pretend Christ and Christianity is mostly about magic and miracles for children which is obvious lie and diversion–which SWB allows to pass. But Christianity is most about serious philosophy, Christian vs. Jew–which Linder wants to evade most of all. Reason for Linder is just a sham, excuse, and cover which he first pretends to use against Christianity, but then which reason he quickly drops for his own satanism.
Thus “rationalists” appreciate New Testament (NT) no less than Homer, discounting the childish mythical elements of NT no less than those of Homer–why can’t Linder/VNN?–and why hasn’t someone noticed this obvious psychotic prejudice of Linder/VNN against NT?–but not Homer?
And “Lynda” is right about Linder/VNN who speaks with Judaic double-mind, arguing against Christianity on basis of “reason”–but then, along w. SWB, insisting upon rightness and uniqueness of white people and gentiles on basis of Nietzshean-type mysticism, reason obviously not sufficing for Linder, Linder willing to reject reason as inadequate once he thinks he’s made sufficient use of reason to dispose of Christianity.
And SWB babbles and babbles about “morality”–even after it’s explained to him Christ defends TRUTH vs. Jew lies and conspiracy, this simply according to definitive Gosp. JOHN. Hence Christ defends HONESTY as foremost ethical virtue, obviously (which SWB DESPERATELY wants to evade and overlook).
Linder/VNN is thus decisively refuted–which he cannot admit as he continues to babble on in his own irrationalist, satanist, psychotic manner–which SWB promotes and encourages for his own mysticism.
CONCLUSION: And here’s the pt. about SWB: he doesn’t at all worship Christ; rather, he worships this utterly MYSTIC pretense of Kantian-style “moral order” above all and everything–which then he wants to insist is endorsed by Christ. SWB is a MYSTIC first and most–not a Christian, which Christianity he merely uses to prop his mysticism and Kantian-styled “moral order.” Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
Phil, in fairness the Kinists have a decent explanation for the Moses/Ethiopian woman question. I’ve read it, long ago, but can’t recall the details.
What I have yet to hear is any compelling answers as to why there are no (to my understanding) early references to the four gospels or what became of the risen saints in Matt. 27(?), among other things.
The bottom line of why I reject most religions is that to avoid eternal damnation, they require you to believe in a God who requires you to believe in testimony that would not even be sufficient in our legal system to confirm or deny anything. It asks us to believe in biological events that we know to be impossible in any situation. Who can have faith in the absurd? Why should our eternal souls depend on believing what contradicts the absolute permanence of nature’s laws that we depend upon for everything we do to live our lives in a rational manner? It is bad fiction, nothing more. The Lord of Rings can be used to unite whites, but to take it literally is something quite different.
ChopperDan, you do not impress me as an impartial inquirer. You and Linder would be good jurors of Vanity Fair. If John Bunyan were reading this blog, he would immortalise you.
If you were at all interested in the question: ‘why are there no (to my understanding) early references to the four gospels?’ you would have gone to a university or college library and researched this question. The professors of the classics are the ones you want to study. As always, the experts are divided on many questions. But references in primary source, historical documents have certainly been studied with your question in mind. And there is multiple and congruent agreement on the relevant secular texts regarding prima facie refs to Jesus of Nazareth and to Christians and to the Church.
This matter can not be addressed in 25 words on less on a blog.
For starters, I commend to you the work of Professor E.M.Blaiklock. He held the Chair of Classics at the University of Auckland for 23 years. He was expert in the relevant languages and documents of the period you wish to scrutinize. I commend to you his writings on Tacitus, Josephus and Pliny.
One of Professor Blaiklock’s most intriguing refs is to the work of an Israeli scholar, Professor Schlomo Pines of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Professor Pines published a forgotten Arabic text of Josephus (many texts of the 1st century History of the Jews in Greek, Aramaic and Arabic). This Arabic text dates to the fourth century. It is preserved in a history of the church written by Agapius, an Arab bishop of Baghdad. Blaiklok quoting from the Arabic version in a monograph published by the Israeli Academy of Sciences and Humanities 1971:
“Similarly, Josephus the Hebrew: For he says: ‘At this time there was a wise man called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon their discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his cricifixion and that he was alive. Accoridngly, he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders.”
This brief compendium from Josephus (a Jew) is virtually a summary of part of The Apostles Creed: ‘I believe … in Jesus Christ…suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried’
This is a historical statement by a historical writer whose Histories from the 1st century A.D. have come down to us in Greek, Arabic, Aramaic and Latin texts. You might not agree with what he says many from among the Jews and other nations believed. But he is writing about someone who did truly live.
Quoted at length in Blaiklock’s Archaeology of the New Testament and Jesus Christ: Man or Myth.
The Gospels were not written for the Greco-Roman world anymore than the Books of the Law and the Prophets, Psalms were written for the Persian empire or for modern skeptics. All of the above are books written within Covenants for Covenant peoples. The Gospels are written within the Church and for the Church as a testament. It is the living authority guaranteed to the Church through Apostolic Succession which discerns and chooses the texts that are Sacred Text.
For those not interested in these questions at all (the majority), within the Covenant, the life of our Lord is lived abundantly by his saints of every generation. Miracles reported throughout the Bible are evidences of new creation breaking in upon this passing age of the world. They happened then. They happen now.
The Church usually only investigates the miracles of those sanctified persons who have a Divine mission to the Church or who have given to the Church a new and clearer understanding of some aspect of the Sacred Deposit of faith as set down in Sacred Text. These doctrines are sealed to the Church and the world with miracles. And these events often find record in the secular histories and trials as well as the anals of the Church. For example, the transcripts of the trials of Jehann d’Arc are part of the national archives of France and they were opened for the investigations antecedant to her canonisation in the early twentieth century.
As for the saints of the Patriarchal, Israelite, Mosaic and Davidic Covenants whose bodies reposed around Jerusalem and who were reported by the Evangelist to rise after our Lord’s crucifixion – I have no difficulty with this at all. In the bodies of their resurrection they accompanied him to heaven where they are living and reigning with him in New Creation which is now a reality for many.
More to the point, it could be a reality for you.
Dan — let’s start with “what became of the risen saints in Matt. 27.”
Nothing came of them, except that they had the misfortune of having to die a second time. Why did they have to bear this burden? Doubtless as a sign for the people of God that the resurrection of Christ was not just an occurrence to establish some abstract point, but that he was the “first fruits of those that are asleep” (I Cor 15:20).
However, the Bible often records historical events without explaining what it “means.” I take it that this is meant so that we can ponder the significance of history as we live our own life. We are to ponder the history in terms of the norms that are also taught there, though not always in the same place.
Now let’s consider your view. You think someone just made up this story about people leaving their graves out of thin air. Think about the problems with that hypothesis, however. If this was some conspiracy by liars to invent a new religion, then turn your question back on yourself: why is this particular lie never picked up on in the other books, also forged by the conspirators? If it was thought that this story would fake out the credulous masses, why don’t the other gospel-forgers pick up on it? Why would one of the conspirators include an incident which is not important to the main story, yet so easy for nay-sayers to throw doubt upon along the same lines that you have done? Why waste apologetic capital on such a thing? Why don’t the theologians pick up on it at all?
The very incidentalness of the story is one evidence of its authenticity.
i’m absolutely in favour of obliterating every damn kike who draws breath!
why?
because: they mercilessly obliterated almost a billion white people…when you “take into account” the countless millions of white people killed during WWI, the Bolshevik mass-murders of the 1920s/1930s, WWII and, subsequently, in the kike-controlled abortion holocaust & the “chemical warfare” of contraception and, then, factor in the white children, white grand-children & white great-grand-children that will now never be born because of this hideous atrocity!
plus the additional countless millions of white lives that have been ruined by atrocities like the kike-controlled “counter-cultural revolution” of the 1960s/1970s!
the Jews continually hold White People responsible for their own mythical “ill-treatment”….wtf shouldn’t we hold those psychopaths responsible for our real, collective genocide….down to the last & the least of these grubs?
un-fortunately, even if you assume a world jew population of 100million, we would have to “off” every damn kike five or six times over to make up for wtf’s happened to us!
compared to the life of the average white person, the life of a kike is worth less than that of a garden slug!
DEATH! to them all!
“Why are the smartest Catholic sons supposed to become preachers and never reproduce?” Good question; I think it’s unfortunate. Christians are to be fellow laborers, but you’re preaching elitism. You’re saying that we need scholastics to guide us who are not like ordinary people.
“If men can come back from the dead, how can we deny that anything truly is possible?” The proof is in the pudding, and if the belief that there is a Law governing nature that is above nature really leads to the realization that “Everything is crazy, wacky, possible and thrown for a loop, and we poor people are like drivers without lanes, roads or lights,” it would be reflected in the civilizations that Christians have built.
It doesn’t matter how many evidences we list, you men will always find an excuse to deny them or say that it’s all in our imagination. We’ve seemed to hover around the eyewitness testimony, but the fulfilled prophecies are even more impossible for men to fake. No matter what is offered as proof, you still won’t believe unless the Holy Spirit grants you repentance.
Tim mentions those who rose from the grave along with Christ and Lazarus. If our skeptical commenters had seen it with their own eyes, they would have asked, “What does this have to do with science?” and would have walked away resolute in their unbelief. Notice their presupposition that nothing supernatural can occur only because they personally have never witnessed anything of the kind and have no control over it.
“What if exterminating jews is the only way to defeat them?” This happens, even to some tribes in the Bible itself (though in that case you ascribe the worst motives because it comes from a “Jew-book”). We have no debate over self-defense. But notice the self-righteousness of Jimbo’s last comment. Whites themselves are condemned for complicity and even initiation of the crimes he lists. Why is it not enough to protect our own people without trying to slaughter our enemies like Michael Corleone?
“Religious types always seem to attribute all the good stuff in a given society to Christianity but none of the bad stuff.” I hope not. It seems that all we ever do here is talk about the foolishness of Christians, and with good reason.
“If NS aren’t responsible, then christians don’t get credit for all the actions of individuals in christian countries.” True, but since we’re Kinists, we already recognize the fact that white people are indispensable to our civilization.
I wouldn’t use E.M. Jones as an authority on Luther (that would be like using John Piper as an authority on papal bulls), but it’s true that Christians are often in league with their enemies, especially today. In spite of it, the truth of what Luther said made its way through the German population. Likewise, imputed righteousness can be true and efficacious regardless of the fallibility of the recipients.
“The Japanese have done it all without Jesus, and they’re not even White.” No, they have not done it all, because wealth-building is a very small portion of what means the most in life. Capitalism has done a lot for them on paper, but they are enslaved to usury just as we are. Now Japanese men are so emasculated that they hump pillows in the shape of women. Some are even “married” to robots. And historically, when they’re not emasculated, they exhibit the characteristics of the hive. But they do have a degree of honor because of their religion of ancestor-worship, and honor of any kind, to those of us who are used to living among Negroes, is worthy of respect. Without this honor, they would have even less of what you say comes solely from race.
“Now, maybe a political faith rather than atheism drove [Nazis]…” Thank you for admitting that atheism has never inspired anyone to that kind of heroism. You still reject metaphysical reality, but what race of men has ever been united behind physics? It will never happen.
You’re talking about reality and effectiveness, and we’re talking about law and order, but the two sides are not exclusive.
“God could just as easily be ‘evil’ and ‘hateful’ as opposed to ‘good’ and ‘loving’. If he were and chose to create us with a moral nature and/or special revelation, we wouldn’t know the difference if he didn’t want us to.” Are you listening to yourself? If there is no God and God is not good, what makes you think that the antithesis would ever have occurred to you? It’s as C.S. Lewis said: “If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning.”
Okay, thanks, Eman. Let us know when you come up with something.
Phil, as far as I know, every one of the commentators and all the church fathers believed that Numbers 12 refers to Zipporah because there is nothing prior to this about her death. Admittedly, the race-mixers have done a good job of pushing this fiction on the 21st century Church. It amuses us that they must cut against the grain of what every other Christian prior to 1950 has ever believed in order to do it. (Good luck with that project.) They truly hope that it will “invalidate the entire Kinist position,” but they live in a dreamworld.
I also find it amusing that atheists think the span of time between the life of Jesus and when some books in the NT were written is a real argument to show that Scripture is not divinely inspired – as though they would be any more likely to believe if Jesus traveled with a stenographer.
“If the canonical gospels were penned by the alleged apostles at an early date, there’s no reference to them by Christian writers before the mid to late 2nd century.” Dan, you completely ignored the quote I posted from one of the world’s foremost archaeologists, so why would anyone go to the trouble of trying to convince you still? You’re simply wrong about there being no first century manuscript fragments. Fragments from Matthew are dated at 50-60 AD, and plenty more are from before 70 AD. There could very well have been others from much earlier. There were many copies that came afterwards, of course. I don’t think anyone feels the need to provide you with compelling proof for something so well-known.
Jimbo, this is a terrible statement. Yet, I approve that SWB has published it so we can see how you and many agree with you are thinking. But this is not the Way.
As Dr Seuss (undoubtedly Jewish) writes in Horton Hears a Who: ‘a person is a person no matter how small.’ Semites of Israelite and or Edomite descent, Arabs etc are persons; Caucasians of Khazarian descent are persons. They are created by the Eternal and Holy God. They have immortal souls. An infinite price was paid for all of them. Right now many of these are in thrall to an Imperium of racial supremacy and hate: Judaism and or Pharasaism.
It is the Lord Jesus Christ who reigns – the Saviour of men – putting all his enemies under his feet. He intends to reign over all nations by means of his Sacred Heart. And all history, world and time that unfolds in anno Domini is the process of those who are his enemies being placed under His feet.
Preferable to this inevitability would be for those who are building the world throne of Lucifer to convert and receive Life in His Name. But those who persist with their New World Order Babel – their wars and genocides will not succeed. Even if white nations did nothing at all – and I am certainly not advocating this – they would not succeed. The fact that they appear to be succeeding at this time means nothing.
White nations must take action against the New World Order – but advocating genoicides destroys everything that makes the culture (and above all the faith) of our European heritage worth defending, fighting for and advancing.
“Lynda,” The Mystic With Knowledge From Heaven
(Apollonian, 2 Nov 09)
Golly gee “Lynda,” where did u get all this about, “He intends to reign over all nations by means of his Sacred Heart”?–is that in New Testament?–what Gospel?
Tell me how u know a fetus has rights?–how do these rights proceed if not fm social contract?
I swear “Lynda,” psychos like u are what gives Christianity its poor reputation. Doesn’t it occur to such an intellect as urs that when Christ defends TRUTH, as Gosp. JOHN, he’s defending objective reality and hence reason–AGAINST mysticism? Tell us true. Honest elections and death to the Fed. Apollonian
A man who writes in such total confusion of mind and spirit as you exhibit in every post should not be swearing, Apollonian.
New Testament. What New Testament? The Gospel According to St John the Evangelist is not a pro apologia for objective reality and therefore reason. The Evangelist bears witness to the Divine Word, the eternal Logos.
“In the beginning God created…” God (Elohim) is a plural noun that in the Hebrew Sacred Text always takes the singular verb. Genesis 1:1
“And God said..” Genesis 1:3. God creates all existences by the fiat of His Word.
Bearing this in mind, St John the Evangelist writes
“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” John 1:1.
All things were made by Him (the Logos) and without Him was not anything made that was made.” John 1:3
And “the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.” John 1:14.
The Evangelist bears witness that the Eternal Word (the Divine Logos) by whom God spoke all created existences into being is above all – a Person. A Person who was in the beginning with God and is God and by whom He made the worlds.
That is: God “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed Heir of all things [which He Himself created] and by Whom He made the worlds: Who being the brightness of His [God, the Father's glory] and the express image [Eikon] of His Person [John 14:9] and upholding all things by the Word of his power, when He had by himself purged our sins…” Hebrews 1:2,3.
Our Lord does not defend ‘truth’ and ‘objective reality and hence reason’. He bears witness to Himself. “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.” John 14:6.
St John the Evangelist bears witness to the Lord (He is God), Jesus (He is man) Christ (the Annointed One) who said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.”
Truth is not an abstraction. Truth is a Person. Reason is a faculty of a person, a cognitive faculty. And just as an artifact made by a person may exhibit rationality or reasonableness, so too the Creation of God exhibits the Divine rationality. The geometry of the universe exhibits the Divine reason. Creation also demonstrates many other qualities (and to my mind more important personal qualities) – such as poetry and imagination.
To deify a cognitive faculty, Apollonian, is simply crass. It is on a par with the Jacobins who took a Madame from the city, dressed her up as the goddess ‘Reason’ put a torch in her hand and entroned her on the high altar of Notre Dame during the French Revolution.
The Scripture testifies unequivocably that our Lord, as Heir of all things, is also King. C.f. Hebrews 10:13.
Until you are able to grasp what Sacred Text actually says, it is pointless to discuss with you what our Lord has revealed to his saints (and what the Church proclaims through the Petrine Office) about his desires, namely – the manner in which he desires to reign over all nations. Quas Primas proclaimed Dec 11th 1925 by Pope Pius XI.
Christ is the Lord of history. He is still speaking to His pilgrim Church in time. The problem is you are not able to listen because you have placed upon the throne of your heart the idol of Reason. Remove this idol and place the Saviour of men there and then will you be in a position to hear what the Sacred Heart is saying.
Doug Wilson has been on a book and video tour with Christopher Hitchens. It seems that they have made appearances on every radio and TV show out there in the last couple of weeks. This post of Wilson’s is quite good and relates to what we’ve been discussing:
http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=7055
“Christopher said somewhere that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. This is quite true, but Christopher misses the point of it. He thinks the resurrection is the extraordinary claim, when actually it is the extraordinary proof. You should not listen to a man who claims to be God (the extraordinary claim) unless He does something like come back from the dead. The resurrection is God’s declaration that Jesus is the Son of God (Rom. 1:4), and when we preach the resurrection, as we are charged to do, we are preaching the proof, not something that needs to be proven.”
Wilson uses the example of gravity, saying that it can described but not explained. The explanation must be taken on faith.
admin, can you not understand that it’s entirely possible that Jesus DID rise from the dead, or that Joseph Smith really DID talk to an angel who told him about golden plates buried in the ground, or any other miracle… but all that matters is that nobody alive *TODAY* has any *PERSONAL* evidence to believe one over the other. The success of the obviously false Mormon church is reason enough for me to believe Christianity to have been just an earlier successful scam. Why would a God allow such obviously false doctrines to become dominant in select areas of the world, and not step in and give them clear evidence of their falseness, as he supposedly did several millennia ago? For how personal the consequences are (eternal paradise or damnation), the circumstances that lead us to one religion over the other are far too impersonal and beyond our control (we choose from whatever religions are most dominant in our country/millennium/family/friends).
A logician could turn that comment into a textbook illustration.
Poster Doug is right, admin. DW should be embarrassed to have uttered such an absurd, fatuous statement and you should be embarrassed to quote it as if it were some profound insight. Even if one ignores all the ludicrously unbelievable elements of the story immediately preceding the crucifixion and resurrection, the only people for whom the resurrection could serve as “proof” would be, as PD noted, not merely those alive at the time, but those who had personally witnessed every event from the time of the crucifixion onward. And that was a very small number of people. And again, there’s no record of any of this occurring outside of the NT. So, contra DW, the ALLEGED resurrection is not proof of anything. Some people believe it, but solely because they wish to, not because reason compels them to. Ridiculous.
I thought the last few exchanges told me all I needed to know, that you guys are total dead-enders, hopped up on Jesus-Juice and determined to believe what you want, no matter what. But that tears it.
Religiously, y’all are completely delusional. As has been pointed out, you’re a tiny minority within the Christian religion, which isn’t and never has been this “one thing”, as you believe. It’s continually changing and evolving, and it’s left you behind.
Of course, you’re all so much more intelligent and clever than the average professing, egalitarian, darky-loving, MegaChurch attendee, but so what? They run the show now, and look on you (if they even take notice) with revulsion. Most don’t even consider you to be gehunine Christians, as you well know, and wouldn’t be caught dead “fellowshipping” with you. So, where does that leave you? In the Wilderness, talking amongst yourselves, reminiscing about the gone-forever “glory days”. In your more sober moments, you must realize that you’re witnessing, probably not even the beginning, but more like the middle of the end. So, what? You shift your focus toward trying to convince secular/heathen Nationalists to enter (or re-enter, as the case may be) the Christian fold? From the looks of it, I don’t foresee that producing any great results. Why don’t you guys give it up and join the 21st century?
If there’s still a Nationalist movement in 2 or 3 generations, it will be comprised almost entirely of secular and/or traditionalist heathen types. Kinists will probably not exist and their descendants will have either joined us or defected to the main body of racially unaware Christian cheerleaders for Jewish World Hegemony.
There seems to be three arguments mashed together in Doug’s post.
1. Let me alter the scenario slightly to make the first problem manifest. “admin, can you not understand that it’s entirely possible that Jesus DID rise from the dead, or that George Washington WAS the first president of the US, but all that matters is that nobody alive *TODAY* has any *PERSONAL* evidence to believe one over the other.” The problem here is replacing a legitimate discussion of how we can know any historical claim to be true, with a bare assertion of historical skepticism — while forgetting that such radical skepticism would apply to secular historical claims as well.
2. “Why would a God allow” etc. This presupposes a view of the world in which men are searching for the truth, and God has to reach out to “prove” himself to them. The Bible on the other hand says that all men already do apprehend God but reject him immediately, preferring to remain in their sins. If Christianity is true, then (a) all men apprehend God already and (b) all men hate the God they know exists, until their hearts are changed by sovereign grace. Now of course people do not like to hear this, but my point is that it is tilting at imaginary windmills to ask “why would God allow” etc. That is a presupposition that vanishes when dealing with Christianity. Perhaps it would be valid when arguing against a Muslim, I don’t know.
3. The problem that people just believe what is presented to them etc. 1. Well Doug, you managed to escape from it, right? So that can’t be a hard and fast rule. 2. The facts show that escape from heritage is possible. For example, there are many Christians from all the tribes in the Middle East, and one of the shameful aspect of US policy is how we have turned our back on them. (Saddam Hussein had a Christian in his cabinet. Today, Iraqi Christians flee for their lives.) 3. Epistemology seeks to establish rational grounds for knowing that transcend background. Imagine you were arguing with some eastern mystical dualist who denied the possibility of science, for example. Would you then conclude that “accepting science” is just a matter of one’s culture, and there is no basis for believing it? (4) At the end of the day, even if God left most of humanity to die in its sin, preserving the truth in only one small remnant, this would be his prerogative. Which takes us back to the second point.
Doug and Dan, meet the logician, Tim. I tried to warn you.
1. No biological laws are broken for George Washington to become President, so there’s no reason to be suspicious. A better comparison would be if some said that George Washington flew over the crowd during his inaugural address. THEN, just as with the miracles supposedly performed by Jesus, we would have GOOD reason to dismiss that testimony as unreliable due to contradiction with known physical laws.
2. Men don’t go around dismissing obvious evidence of new forces, despite what that old book says. Ask Faraday about that. Men don’t deny evidence of something extraordinary, we incorporate it into our worldview since a higher understanding of the facts of reality improve anyone’s ability to survive. The Bible simply fails that aspect of human psychology. We’re to believe that “pagans” would completely ignore evidence they actually WITNESSED, and instead worship things they carved with their own hands? I grew up in a very Christian family, went to church weekly and was very well versed on the arguments against evolution and for creation… and then I chose to take a look at the evolution argument. What clinched it is that evolution explains why the races are so different. Why would God create an ugly gorilla-like Nigerian when he could just create another Diane Kruger or Paulina Porizkova? Do Nigerians and Australian aborigines please his eye? It’s absurd. Natural selection created the different races, and there’s nothing holy about it.
Take a look at erectuswalksamongst.us an online book I’ve slowly been going through. It explains things from a racial viewpoint, the conclusion being that the African population had extensive intermixing with Homo Erectus, and that modern Homo Sapiens arose outside of Africa, then some went to Africa and mixed with Homo Erectus, which explains both why Africans have a much wider genetic diversity (probably between East and West mostly) versus any other racial population. There’s a big visual difference between, say, Michael Jordan and Jerry Stackhouse, for instance.
Once again Linder disperses the cristiana pecora, eternally leaden in spirit.
Same old pious posing. What you don’t understand is that there’s more “holy spirit” in Linder than any of you. Fortunately every generation has its scourge to drive the moneylenders from the temple.
I think the Genesis account is far more cogent than Darwinism and Social Darwinism – which is an ideology concocted by JudeoMasonry.
There was an original pair created imago Dei. Of their descendents, those who held to the Patriarchal monotheism,faith in a Saviour who married within the kinship group that kept this faith were at war with the descendents who turned to idolatry practiced fornication and married offspring these liasons. A group among these learned about demonic possession and certainly introduced this into their sexual practices as Satanists do today resulting in much greater degeneration but enhanced powers. Different tribes and nations formed as a result of beliefs and practices i.e. culture.
Even though all nations were diminished from the parents and originals Adam and Eve, some were much less so than others. I think they migrated out of the wars of Babel on the plains of Shinar very early – the people of Japeth.
When the Redeemer long anticipated by the most ancient faith of the Patriarchs came, all nations could then be regenerate in Him. The nations of the Aryan, Caucasian race converted to the Evangel virtually as nations. Thus, as a race, they communed in the Body and Blood of the God man for almost two millenia. Of course, the beauty of the race became enhanced; they became strong in virtues and so developed many powers and abilities. This is because grace perfects nature.
If you look at Aryan people today sunk in the most loathsome vices and superstitions, you notice how the winged brow of our people is beginning to level into that horizontal brow of the nations who have lived with low horizons for a lot longer than we have. The light of the countenance is extinguishing. They are becoming oafish and dumbed down.
If you look at people of colour, dark races who up until maybe the last two hundred years have as nations lived in the most barbaric paganism, been ruled by witchcraft and superstitution – but who thanks to the missionary efforts of the Christians converted themselves as tribes or clans to Christ. It is interesting how their appearance is becoming more refined. The winged brow is beginning to appear. They are becoming more able – intellectually, creatively and athletically. The light of the countenance shines.
tim, what you classify as “radical skepticism” is the same thing the jews say about historical revisionist critiques of the holohoax and what I suspect you consider to be “normal”, healthy skepticism when considering any proposition unrelated to bible stories. iow, you’re arguing in circles and applying a huge double standard.
doug hit the nail on the head. we’ve got to compare apples to apples. obviously, establishing jesus’ existence is little more important than, say, hadrian’s or pliny the elder’s or napoleon’s or henry ford’s. are there good, solid reasons for taking these men for granted? absolutely. does my immortal soul hang in the balance, either way? no. but with jesus, it does, therefore whether he did or didn’t exist is crucial and of the utmost interest, and the burden of proof is much higher.
Admin, okay, so maybe I was kinda strident up there. In all seriousness, tho, I’m sure Tim is a first-rate logician. It’s not my area of expertise, but I think these guys have pretty effectively countered his rebuttal.
Tim avers, “The Bible on the other hand says that all men already do apprehend God but reject him immediately, preferring to remain in their sins. If Christianity is true, then (a) all men apprehend God already and (b) all men hate the God they know exists, until their hearts are changed by sovereign grace. Now of course people do not like to hear this….”
Fair enough, but couldn’t the other side equally claim that Christian apologists understand that all the known facts totally undermine the credibility of their claims but they stubbornly refuse to concede because they’re afraid to admit they might’ve been wrong or of appearing foolish, etc.? That’s an honest question, as that was something I had to work through myself when I gave up religion.
After seeing Lynda’s responses, I realize any time spent here is pearls before swine. Her remarks are indistinguishable from Scientology voodoo: “light of the countenance” and “the winged brow of our people is beginning to level into that horizontal brow of the nations”.
This belongs in a new version of Lord of the Rings, not the discovery of truth. Anyone who values efficient, blunt analysis of facts wouldn’t use such language. For those who doubt evolution, look into Chromosome #2. Humans have 1 less pair of chromosomes than chimpanzees, and the reason is that our common ancestor had 48, as chimps do. Chimpanzees have 2 smaller chromosomes that, when combined, look like our chromosome #2, and this appears to have been what happened.
The bottom line is that whether you like it or not, natural selection takes place. Animals in the wilderness live by survival of the fittest. For humans this means most adaptable. The welfare state selects for numbers, not intelligence. Those who are smart enough to realize this must use their wealth to have large numbers of offspring, or their money will forcibly be taken from them and used to pay for someone else’s offspring. On this, I hope all pro-white groups can agree. Have as many children as you can reasonably afford, since you’re forced to pay for some kids even if you don’t have any, through taxation. Wealth and resource accumulation have no higher purpose than to increase reproductive success.
Doug, natural selection does take place within species but it is not the origin. And the human race, if it is fulfill a human identity in its nations should not make natural selection the basis of social order. I do not concede that you and the chimpanzee have a common ancestor – although reading so many of your posts and the chimp-outs on the VNN message board – it is indeed tempting.
I’ve read with interest Linder’s comments. He has trouble believing in God because, it’s pretty apparent, he’d rather believe in Linder. That’s the way of non-believers. I know because I used to be one.
Nevertheless, I can certainly see his point about the sickness of today’s effeminate equality-worshiping Christians. My reply, as with the rest of the kinists, is that this is not Christianity. The word equality doesn’t even appear in the Bible. It gives no sanction whatsoever to equalizing races and genders. These are God’s creations, and He made them distinct for his purposes. Neither does the Bible condone the Bolshevik notion of equalizing wealth. Socialism springs from envy, a sin according to the Scripture. Contrary to the often-heard claim, all mem are not equal before God. He loves whom he will, loving Jacob and hating Esau. The only way men are equal, in the biblical sense, is that all are sinners in need of grace.
Linder says he only considers facts. Well, consider this one. Christianity shaped the glory of our Western culture, in art, literature, architecture, philosophy, law, government, and indeed even science. We conceived laws of nature because we first conceived of a Law-Giver who created an orderly world. Science didn’t flourish outside the West because it didn’t have the God of the West.
Linder claims that Christianity has weakened the West. Really? If that’s so, why were we vital and strong where we were fervently Christian, and why did we weaken at precisely at the time when we began to lose the faith? He says Christianity breeds cowards. Can he honestly say that about Charles Martel, Don John of Austria, and so many of the other Christian warriors who drove back Muslim hordes with faith and steel?
Finally, I must take issue with Linder’s notion that Jews invented Christianity to destroy gentiles. If that were the case, we should see them supporting their invented faith. The truth, of course, is that they never cease to attack it.
“There is no Kwa but Kwa and Linder is its prophet.”
He says Christianity breeds cowards. Can he honestly say that about Charles Martel, Don John of Austria, and so many of the other Christian warriors who drove back Muslim hordes with faith and steel?
Germanic blood, not Christian faith, produced Martel and John. Christian faith was the mere expression of its will to defend the cultural realm.
As a Kinist, I differ from some of my Kin in that I believe the Bible, beginning with Adam and Genesis, is an instruction manual for the White Race. God gave Adam “dominion” over the world, which meant that Adam and his true descendants exercised God-given governance over all the earth. Christianity turns sour when white people fail to carry out God’s intructions; which includes holding an iron rod over all nations.
During the two decades prior to WW I, the European nations (Christendom) held dominion over the whole world. But pride led to a fall. The Sons of Satan, the Destroyers of Nations, who we call Jews, schemed to draw Russia into a war with a nonwhite nation: Japan. As we know, two wars catatrophic to the white race followed. So how can Christians be blamed for both World Wars? Who brought Communism to power? Who caused Germany’s defeat during WW I? Who sought to overthrow the Christian monarchs throughout Europe? Not White Christians!
Germany was a Christian nation during both World Wars. Christianity was taught in German schools and German soldiers wore belt buckles inscribed with “Gott Mit Uns!” Where were the atheists in the foxholes? Fighting for Stalin!
Russia has turned back to Christianity, and is beginning to exercise the God-given dominion conferred on Adam. As a result, Russia is by far the most nationalistic White nation in Europe and the only such nation to encourage women to have White children. Christianity, indeed, seems essential to the survival of the White Race.
God Have Mercy on us.
I agree with almost everything my good friend Beauregarde has said here, except:
1) I don’t think we Christians have the right to determine who is and who is not allowed to hear the gospel and respond to the call of salvation. It should be an open invitation. But as we all know, there is only one race that has truly been transformed by the gospel, and with time and providence, we could very well discover that others fall away from the call of grace. I don’t desire this – I only deny that men have the authority to predetermine it.
2) I’m absolutely in favor of deportation, defensive war, and any other laws meant for our survival, but “holding an iron rod over all nations” sounds like empire-building to me, and I think that experiment has been a colossal failure. Ideally, I’d like to let the rest of the world go about its business, but I know that what looks good on paper doesn’t always work out in practice.
So there are caveats to my disagreements, but I couldn’t agree more that without Christianity we’re as good as dead. This is a truism, actually; it’s like saying that without life we’re as good as dead. We are in this predicament as a direct result of failing to heed God’s Word and obey the law of Life, that we may live. So Beauregarde is correct that if we ignore the instruction manual we will never be able to properly exercise dominion, and we will be decimated.
One of the greatest temporal benefits of Christianity, which our atheist friends never seem to realize, was that inter-tribal warfare greatly decreased and the race was able to thrive. Without Christian faith and proper biblical government, our genes would not prevent us from trying to kill each other at every turn. I don’t see how anyone can deny that the horrific fratricide of World War I is a case in point.
Here again, it’s easy to see that, with time and providence, the meek will inherit the earth. The future belongs to Christians.
In this discussion, 40th Level White Revolutionary, the SWB blogroll has been trying to drill down to the moral substrate of your white nationalism. What is its basis? Until you have this – you have no code. This latter is what impresses people in the mass (or not).
Natural and Common Law would be a start, but then the Church recognizes national expressions of these.
By Kwa, you are talking about what exactly – the Kwa of AmeriKwa? The vast kwanland of Americans with European national heritage floating in the melting pot? As dumbed down goyim Bob and Bobby Jean Six Pack are not that different from Juan and Juanita Taco or clueless jews like Joe and Judy Schmo in the daily focus and aspiritations of the American mass.
I agree with you that the life is in the blood, the blood of the nation – its consciouness is in the blood. But suppremely the regeneration of blood is in the blood of the God man, the second Adam and the Lord from Heaven.
The Germanic blood of Martel and the German nation was regenerate in this way – through the Christian faith and communion in the Corpus Christi from the 5th century A.D.
In our own time, blood is being degraded. Mercury – in vaccines, in the air (from cremations) from decades of placing amalgam dental fillings is poisoning white nations (among other things). Mercury vapor binds to heme and alters the holography of the blood.
When I see a hieratic glyph emerge from your movement that will focus consciousness, faith and trust (vital energy), I will start taking some of your statements about blood more seriously.
You probably have never realized that blood has holography. The focus of consciousness upon a logo or a glyph alters blood – for good or ill. That is why our public sphere is saturated with all these Luciferian corporate logos and glyphs.
Even so, as a hieratic glyph there is nothing that can replace the Crucifix. As with the image of the brazen serpent upon the staff which Moses lifted up in the wilderness, those who look upon the Crucifix with the focus of faith – live.
Christ the King uplifted on the Cross for us
O com let us adore Him.
Christum Regnum, pro nobis in Cruce exaltatum.
Venite adoremus.
From the Universal Calendar of the West, The Exaltation of the Holy Rood.
Christianity has both code and rite for the regeneration of life in the blood. White nationalism does not.
In this discussion, 40th Level White Revolutionary, the SWB blogroll has been trying to drill down to the moral substrate of your white nationalism.
I’m not WN. I’m Linderite.
The Germanic blood of Martel and the German nation was regenerate in this way – through the Christian faith and communion in the Corpus Christi from the 5th century A.D.
Oh, man. I thought it was hard weapons, beer, and determination to preserve themselves against invaders.
“For when one says, ‘I am of Paul,’ and another, ‘I am of Apollos,’ are you not carnal?” (1 Cor. 3:4)
Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
I have now finished reading the entire VNN website. A harrowing experience. I think I will forego Advent fasts and denials the VNN research stand in lieu.
I think the import of the VNN focii and agenda currently shaping up is what will remain with me as key to understanding where this movement and rhetoric sits with those who seek to seat Lucifer upon the throne of the world (calling it the throne of the the ‘King of the Jews’). The Covert Apex. Still Covert and still cloaked in its angel of light, benefactor, humanitarian, saviour personas remains covert.
The Covert Apex is the ancient priesthood of Ur that has always attached itself to the people of the Covenants with a view to subverting and retooling them in the service of their Luciferian allegiance. Their Edomite / Jewish nation subverted Israel. Today they have subverted all Gentile nations and Christianity in all of its denominations and they have overthrown the Western Patriarchate in Rome, the Catholic Church worldwide. To succeed, They must destroy the pillars of all human identity: nation, race, sex, faith in order to create the social cataclysms that their Jewish vangard will orchestrate. But in the Mad Plan, this human wreckage is just Revolution fodder. It will succeed to be the new, re-engineered slave race permitted to be Servants of the Eye in the new dispensation.
But to succeed with the next phase of the Mad Plan, they still have to extinguish the Christian faith and the Aryan race.
Their upcoming Agenda for America, I think, is Revolution over many issues – one of the key being race. And of course, they want a backlash against the Jews who have been handed ‘the bad guy script’ and those who are in Jewry are auditioning for leading roles. They are deluded in thinking that the NWO is going to be theirs. But their enmity with the Aryan race and their hatred of the Christian faith will certainly come into full play in the script. So, of course, movements are being tooled up to oppose them and harvest the storm and the fury aroused by Jewisht actions now being everywhere outed.
The Directors are still working on the American script.
And aren’t the Grand Strategists with the Zionist script ‘out there’ with the bait. The Rabbinovitch docs published over on Rense.com the ‘Our Race will rule the Undisputed Over the World’ stuff. As the Invisible Hand fits them up as provacateurs for the Chaos that is brewing.
On July 4, 2008 the Grand Orient of the USA officially announced their new patent and treaty of amity with the mother lodge in France. Officially the Grand Orient Temple. This is the Mother of all Revolutions. And the GOL is always chartered in the nation before its Masonic Revolution for Ordo ab Chao. The foundation of the GOL was laid in France by the Rothschilds prior to the French Revolution that inaugurated our present Revolutionary era. Now culminating in the Communist Revolution – the global convergence. Judeo cartelized capitalism (conquest / ownership of nations through banks) vs Judeo Revolutionary socialism.
The Grand Orient of France in Russia and the Supreme Council of the Grand Orient of Russia’s People was established in 1906.
The Grand Orient is the school of Revolution established by the Judeo Cartelized Capitalism wing of the Revolution. All the great Revolutionaries of the 20th century were alumni of the Grand Orient. So now they have a charter for the U.S.A.
And their lodges will be in N.Y (of course), Washington, L.A., Phoenix, Atlanta, Cleveland Ohio, Savanah Georgia. That makes two for Georgia, Mobile Alabama. Its all on the Burning Taper Blog – which entire website should be studied by those who have a Grand Unified Theory of Conspiracy. C.f. the JudeoBolshevik Masons of the Grand Orient who overthrew Russia. http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/russia/russian_masons.html.
CUE for short. Conspiracy Unites Everything if one is interested in the world of public affairs. It is in this context that one must read the VNN website.
Lynda,
I continue to appreciate every post you write.
I was wondering where you got the information about the Covert Apex and the Ur priesthood. I did a Google search for “covert apex” and all I found were poorly translated Japanese blog posts about cell phones.
Excellent post, though. Now whenever I hear someone say “JCC” (for “Jewish Community Center”) I will think of “Judeo Cartelized Capitalism.”
Dear Siegried,
Thank you so much for your letter of encouragement. Spirit Water Blood is my favourite blog and right now I have enough coffee breaks in my work schedule to post regularly.
The Covert Apex I must confess is a term of my own coinage. In my retirement I am participating in a think tank for our local home schools. I do research for our curricula. This has given me the opportunity to think about my Conspiracy Unites Everything theory.
Since I have to think about public affairs and social policies for the home schools, I am trying to integrate my thinking on the subjects of politics, international directorates of social/ economic policies, media, religions, education, the cartelized multi cult state as it locks into international banking and corporate structure and international theatres of war, revolution, counterrevolution, cointelpro, organized crime. These are not all separate subject matter. As the NWO shapes up, these are unified in the service of a single Agenda. The Protocols of Zion covers all these areas and I think to understand the Master Plan, one must look at the interfaces of these areas.
So I have to create terms that allow me to understand these interfaces and how they integrate in the pyramid structure of NWO currently under construction.
Looking at the iconography of the pyramid of the eye and the hexagram – I see a pyrmidion or apex above the visible structure. Like in the movie Star Wars which revealed many important Illuminist doctrines and terms like Jedi, Yoda, Corazan etc. In that series, the term: The Force was defined as both invisible and permeating and binding. It held the balance of the power conflict between its own creations of good / evil; light / dark etc. The play and interplay was the thing. Out of dialectical conflict a new balance, order and gestalt would emerge.
The poet William Blake wrote:
“This Life’s dim Windows of the soul
Distorts the Heavens from Pole to Pole
And leads you to blieve a lie
When you see with and not thro’ the eye.”
And today the Great Eye is looking at us. It becomes imperative for those who would free themselves of the Lie to see with the single eye of the holy faith and not to look through the wadjet eye of the Watchers and their world pyramid.
What I think of as the covert apex is a dynastic group whose power goes way back. They insulate themselves from the dialectics of their theatres of conflict and the forces they set into play. But they will inherit each new gestalt that emerges – until the Church again claims victory.
I first started thinking this way when I encountered the testimony of John Todd on Henry Makow’s website. Dr Makow is the author of The Illuminati: the Cult that Hijacked the World. This text can not be recommended too highly. http://www.henrymakow.com.
When I did a search on John Todd and began to read his testimony, I noted that he often spoke of ‘the Rothschild Tribunal’. Isn’t that interesting I said to myself. It is like there is a bar beyond which no one can at this point see like the foundation or base of a Trilateral or pyrmidion above what is public and knowable in terms of the world power structure. For some reason, the knowable face of world power behind all the stooges is undoubtedly the Rothschilds. And because the play is the thing and the Rothschild banking cartel (which owns nations in the present gestalt) so obviously has the bad guy script, they can not be holding the Balance. They can not be the Force which I think is a dynastic priesthood – called by many names. It was the Shemsu Hor in Egypt. I think Moriah is the correct term dating back to Ur.
What I also found fascinating about John Todd’s testimony was that he also regarded the real power in the world as being Luciferian and their rede was witchcraft – the Necromicon. He traces this back to Akkad, Sumer and ultimately Ur of the Chaldees. He calls this dynasty Moriah. “The All Conquering Wind” i.e. the Force.
The Apostle James refers to the Book of Enoch in his letter. The Book of Enoch contains the Secret Doctrine or a version of it. That Lucifer descended upon Ardis, the summit of Mt Sion “which is Hermon” (Deut 4:48). And there the rebel angels who, according to St Jude “kept not their first estate” swore oath to Lucifer for a dynastic succession. Unless it is really imperative, no one would read the turgid works of Helena Petrovna Blatvatsky: The Secret Doctrine. The most accessible form is the parable by Rudyard Kipling: The Man Who Would Be King.
And then began the first miscegenation – the fallen of the host sired progeny upon or with human females. “And there were giants Gibborim in the earth in those days” according to the Genesis account. But this word is also used transitionally. As in “Nimrod began to become a Gibborim”.
The distinct Moriah bloodline of Ur is descended from Nimrod. People have objected to John Todd’s testimony by saying that Angels are incorporal spirits, so it is not possible for them to engender a dynastic succession. I have no idea. But I do know from many congruent testimonies that have been published that the rites of the fallen Archangel (i.e. Wicca, Druidh, Magian, Sabian, etc) use sex magick. Crowley’s work alone demonstrates this.
In these rites, people are possessed of these beings: spiritually, physically, mentally, pyschologically, morally and in these possessions in which the human victim displays powers that we would in modern usage call ‘superpowers’ – sexual acts and conceptions do occur. So is this another race or not? John Todd claimed to be of that bloodline. He claimed that the power of their ancient religion is fundamentally a religion of blood. I think he is right. I think no matter from which angle you look at his testimony it agrees with other evidences that are multiple and congruent.
Also, there are the parish records of exorcisms from many, many centuries of the Church. The possessed do indeed exhibit these ‘superpowers’ of which John Todd speaks and we see this in scripture as well.
We know that from the time Adam and Eve delivered the inheritance of the earth to Lucifer, that the kingdoms of this world belonged to him. He said this himself: “all the kingdoms of this world for such are given to me.” (Matt 4:8) Yet even after he was cast down from the throne of the world and the title deeds of the earth were transferred to our Lord, the Apostle John writes “We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness.” (1 John 5:19) The Principalities and Powers still hold sway, but their Apex has been thrown down. Victory has been declared and The Church was founded to assert that victory against these principalities and powers, their human puppets (rulers) and their slave empire that remains in place.
The Moriah and the nations they have captured and Judaized or Edomized, of course, are attempting to build it back.
As at the time of our Lord, these Principalities and Powers and their Covert Apex still cloak themselves in angel of light personas, the public interest, humanitarian agenda etc. Whoever the Covert Apex is they are insulated from their Agentur which have been assigned or undertaken the ‘bad guy script’ in their world theatre. After their Chao, the Agentur of their Masonry will always harvest the new ordo in the persona of ‘for the good all’ or some noble cause that will then become the thresh hold of the next conflict that the Agentur will machinate.
Our Lord puts it like this: “the kings of the Gentiles lord it over them and they that have power over them are called beneficent.” (Luke 22:25)
But in the Apocalypse, this mask is coming off.
Lynda,
Thank you very much for that response.
I think that your explanation above is actually quite a sensible Unified Theory of Conspiracy. It is too much to believe that the Rothschilds, or any other troupe of mere humans, even the Khazars, could be the single unifying force behind the anti-Christ conspiracy. It must be something more, something truly satanic. All the evidence points to the Nephilim being offspring of angels and humans, so the Nephilim would indeed be a demonic race.
It’s interesting to note that some Aramaics of old believed the giants/Nephilim to be descendants of Orion, a pagan demigod whom the gods placed among the stars – especially interesting, since in the Bible the angels are associated with the stars.
But perhaps if you wouldn’t mind explaining something – how do you see the Edomites/Judaics/Khazars fitting into all this? Are the Edomites related to the Khazars? DAnd why are these groups, rather than any others, chosen by the Covert Apex to destroy Christendom and the Aryan race?
Again, thank you for your time.
Dear Siegfried,
The Nephilim and Gibborim were killed in the Deluge. But their fossils have been found. Go to You Tube and just type these words into the search engine and have a look at the some of the fossil record of the longheaded giants.
The flood may well have occurred to destroy this race, referred to as “strange flesh” and “an abomination.” But then, Nimrod began to become ‘a Gibborim’ the KJV translates this as ‘a mighty hunter before the Lord.’ The connection is obviously with Orion, with Lucifer, with our Lord’s reference to “the Strong Man.”
Nimrod and Semiramis built Babylon. Bab (gate) el (god). The gate of the god. And he and his descendents practiced Pharoahnic marriage of brother and sister. Like Osiris and Isis (whose Egyptian name is Ast). Like Ba’ al and Astarte which were the names in Ur. I think that through inline breeding they were trying to reconstruct the blood / spirit axis of the ancient Nephilim who may well literally have been the descendents of the fallen angels.
The Illuminist or Luciferian religion is the true religion of the world’s elite – concealed by many symbols, logos and their cover stories. It is bound up with Orion and Canis Major (Osiris and Isis) whose son is the Horus king. In Eyptian Mythology – Osiris becomes Sokar in the fifth hour of the Duat and Anubis is the son of Sokar (the Great Serpent) and Nephthys. So in terms of the underworld, the Duat or space – you have the ‘gods’ as we would perceive them: their forms of light. And you also have their demonic or serpent forms of the Duat. The serpent stautuary of ‘the gods’ represents them like this – in their serpent forms, which is somewhat disguised in the Egyptian paintings. But look carefully, the forms lack ‘handedness’ or chirality: two left hands and two left feet, scales etc.
I think Orion – if one were to regard those stars as thrones or hosts (as in the language of the Bible) is a very good candidate for “the covering Cherub.”
I think Horus corresponds to the dark star which has an orbit around our sun and Sirius. Nibiru aka Planet X aka CHA110913773444. Note the 11 – 09 – 13 code in that name. Chandra Observatory is tracking it now: http://swift.psu.edu. When it comes into our solar system, I think it will enter exactly as Egyptian mythology says it will. Horus is born in the Delta of the Nile. In their mythology the Nile codes for the Milky Way.
If you observe Orion, Canis Major and Canis Minor without industrial lighting – out in the desert without atmosphere, you can see that the Milky Way flows through the gate of Sirius (Can Maj) and Betelgeuse (Orion) and Procyon (C.Min) and Alhenna (Gemini). You can clearly see ‘the Delta of the Nile’ of Egyptian Mythology as the delta formed by Procyon, Sirius and Betelgeuse. I think it is from this geocentric configuration, (this delta), that CHA110913-773444 will enter our solar system as it arcs around our sun at perihelion.
To my mind, in terms of the ancient Serpent religion, this is Horus rising with the sun. And the logo of this arc is now being everywhere displayed. Most recently the logo of the G8 summit. Along with the red kites (a falcon is a type of kite) and all the stars with the rainbow tails etc.
The ancient Serpent religion is beautiful. It unites the true sciences of geometry, music and light – sciences which the elite have suppressed in public domain. They know very well about how to tap the energy of the vacuum. http://www.cheniere.org. The sciences that one is permitted to study at university are deliberately confined to crass materialist models. When in fact the key is energy and how to model energy.
But their religion isn’t about science per se. It is about the gods who have their thrones in the stars. It is about their dynasty that will rule the world. And it is completely idolatrous exactly as the Bible declares.
And don’t you just know that when its high adepts who have built up their own energy and strength through special techniques of cultivating life force (some of them criminal acts) – the rites of the fallen Archangel, the taking of monatomic gold, combined with their own genetics they will be able to sustain demonic possessions and so exhibit what we (the sheeple) are being edjewmacated to think of as superpowers, X powers or mutant powers. When people see this stuff, the ancient Serpent religion of the gods will zoom to the top of the pops. They will tell us: “you can be like the gods of the stars.”
Now where have we heard this line before?
Since this thread seems to be slowing down, perhaps now is a good time to summarize the key issues that have been raised. For, it seems like the atheists have racked up quite a “debate debt” of points not conceded that somehow get ignored out of existence.
In the case of the evidence for the gospel accounts about Jesus, there appears to be two basic objections with variations which sometimes creates confusion. Namely, historical evidence per se — chiefly its thinness –, versus the incredibility of the miraculous. Both of these have been dealt with above, but perhaps a brief summary is in order.
On the presupposition of God and the universe presented in the Bible, there is nothing incredible whatsoever about a miracle occurring. The same God that brought all things into existence can certainly multiply fish and bread, create wine from water, and raise the dead. However, science is also possible on this view, because the same rational God that ordinarily governs nature according to laws that he established created us with rational minds that are able to transcend the physical and believe propositions that can be true.
On the presupposition of naturalism, on the other hand, science itself is incredible. First, why should universal abstract entities like “laws” attach themselves to brute matter to begin with? What is space? what is time? None of these have easy answers on the assumption of naturalism.
But grant the naturalist’s metaphysic for the sake of argument. But then, how could we know such a thing? Why should a naturalistic biological organ like the brain secrete “thoughts” that correspond with events in the distant past or far reaches of the universe? Why should a twitch that corresponds with believing “all life evolved” be more or less true than a twitch that corresponds with “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” So rather than stopping with the objection, “it is impossible for the dead to be raised,” the atheists would do well to examine their own world view, which is self-refuting. We know the Biblical worldview is true because of the impossibility of its denial.
I will try to summarize the historical-evidence class of objections in a subsequent post.
Now, as to the alleged thinness of the testimonial documentation attesting to the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth.
a. However, there is far more variety of independent testimony about Jesus than for, say, Socrates. Most of what we have about Socrates was written by a single disciple, Plato. There is a handful of passing references elsewhere in the literature, but these could easily be explained by tradition or conspiracy. Moreover, the documentary chain is far further removed from the originals than the NT documents. Yet few doubt the existence of Socrates. This should be pondered hard. The witnesses for Jesus are far more varied and near to the source than any of that. The problem is not with the evidence but with the seriousness of the existential implication if true. You do not need to repent of your well-loved sins in consequence to believing that Socrates existed.
b. Historical evidence is not exactly stronger in proportion to “counting documents.” Imagine the difficulty of “proving” that so-and-so is your mother to a radical skeptic. You have a birth certificate — “forged” –, you have the testimony of aunts and uncles — “conspiracy”–, you have letters spanning many years–”irrelevant”–, and you have your own memory–”hallucinating or lying” and so forth. Yet few things could be more certain than the existence and identify of your mother. Something like coherence of the whole world story is more at stake than a stack of “varied testimonials.” And the world story is not coherent without your mother, George Washington, or Jesus of Nazareth. To suppose that the existence of Jesus was created out of thin air, the extent of conspiracy and forgery, not just of the primary documents, but the secondary and tertiary testimony, is beyond possible belief — except that it is even more painful to belief in him, because men love their sins.
c. Each time you substitute for Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Paul some anonymous forger, they you need to do the same for the Polycarps that claimed to know them. You have to continue this ever-widening circle of impostors, many of whom faced cruel death for their message.
d. Likewise, for every incredible detail, especially those not particularly important to the main story such as the graves opening up in Matthew, the conspiracy theorist only has that much greater of a problem — for why would they thrown in needless details, easily contradicted if false, and utterly unnecessary to get the fraudulent “movement” bootstrapped?
A variation on this objection is, that if the wonderful deeds of Jesus really happened, then “everyone” would have been reporting it. There would be far more documentary evidence than what we have.
a. First, “everyone” did not write books. So let’s not exaggerate the claim.
b. The same spiritual resistance would be present in them than in our current skeptics.
c. Everyone filters evidence in terms of presuppositional network. Atheists often challenge God to “make an appearance,” cause this book to levitate right now, etc. But this indicates a lack of deep reflection on the situation. If a book levitated, this would simply be incorporated into the naturalistic worldview. “Strange things occasionally happen.” “There must have been some countervailing force to gravity that we simply did not measure at the time.” Now think about the situation ten years later. An atheist, now a “Christian,” gives an account of his “faith” by saying, “ten years ago a book levitated when we challenged God to do so.” It’s ridiculous to think this would happen, or that that would be any kind of sound basis for faith.
d. Those of us that are scientists or engineers have occasionally witnessed “strange things” in the lab. A meter shows a million volts, or whatever. This is soon written off as lab error and forgotten about. One moves on in terms of the established paradigm.
e. The idea that the apostles if genuine would have performed magic shows and that people would have “come over” as a result fails to understand the real issue. It assumes that the “problem” is witnessing miracles: as if God is wringing his hands, trying to figure out how to convince all the “sincere seekers” out there. If that model were true, then Christianity is certainly false. It is a serious question-begging stance.
A clue to the spiritual nature of the conflict can be glimpsed simply by observing the deeply hostile attitude of the critics. Is this rational in view of the narrative? Think about the basic message of the Bible:
“God created man to enjoy him forever in joyful labor and procreation. But because of his rebellion, he forfeited the joy and glory and inherited instead death, both on earth and for eternity. But instead of leaving him in that state, God himself dropped into the world and suffered his decreed penalty in himself. In exchange for remission of his sin, man must do… nothing.”
Now there are only two rational responses to this: accept it joyfully, or ruefully say, “this is too good to be true; would that it were true, but it is too fantastic; I just can’t believe.” What do we find instead? Hatred, seething anger, hostility. Such an irrational response must have something behind it. This is just one reason we are confident the message is true.
I believe Dr. Revilo P. Oliver in his magnum opus, “Christianity and the Survival of the West” does a better job of expressing what I suspect to be the case than anything I might write does…Oliver regarded Christ a mythical figure, and not gladly or hppily but with great sadness, and I do too.
The evidence for the mythical nature of Jesus of Nazareth is extreme and such extreme evidence demands extremely verifiable refutation. Almost certainly Jesus was not born of a virgin, did not die on a cross with criminals, and was not resurrected after three (or even one and a half to two, Friday night to Sunday morning…) days. To expect White man to believe such things, an omnipotent and omniscient God would have left far better physical proof than HE is alleged to have done.
I find in Western Christianity a great deal of good…but not the establishment of a most extraordinary fact. For that matter, I find in Mormonism a great deal of good, in fact I find in their conception of Heavenly Father a more Aryan God than conventional Christianity’s…but that doesn’t change the fact that Joseph Smith was a mountebank of the second order, not even a world class fraudster but a rather vanilla con artist. And I could say good things about Zoroastrianism, about Sufism, even, if I looked really hard, about pre-Talmudic Judaism. In fact, even the stinkiest religion known to man today, Scientology, has some valid ideas.
“To expect White man to believe such things, an omnipotent and omniscient God would have left far better physical proof than HE is alleged to have done.”
It must rankle you that white men, during the last 2,000 years, have so fully embraced “such things” that the gospel has transformed our civilization, elevated our culture, and made our race the most advanced in the world. Now we are on the decline as we collectively reject Christ, and deservedly so.
I know, I know, the standard line from white-race-worshipers is that our genes made us great before we knew the gospel. We were certainly created for great works – of that there can be no doubt – but our genes don’t teach us to (for instance) abstain from economic oppression through usury. We need the law of God to teach us this. We need the law to turn us away from a great many things we do wrong, and we need grace for our failure to keep the law. Genes have never saved anyone from the curse of sin.