God and Sinners Reconciled
December 26, 2009 
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When Italians talk about a “White Christmas,” they mean it, and it has no place for black nativity scenes. In Verona they’re fighting for “separate buses and trains for immigrants, banning new mosques, and getting rid of all Chinese and kebab restaurants.”
A teacher in Las Vegas shocked her students recently by denying that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin, died on a cross, and was resurrected days later. This horrendous outrage occurred on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving while decorating the room for the holiday. “Why should we give thanks to God when there is no God?” she asked. “Jesus could not have been crucified because the Romans did not have the technology to pull it off,” she added. “Therefore, Jesus did not exist.” Her venomous spittle has created such a poisonous atmosphere at the school that district police are treating it as a hate crime. Parents and students alike are demanding that she apologize or be fired, but the school is too cowardly to follow through with the demands. The teacher protests that she was merely sharing her opinion, but right-thinking people everywhere know that some opinions are superior to others. I mean, what, should the school hire Mahmoud Ahmadinejad too, simply because he has opinions? Phyllis Friedman, regional director for the Anti-Defamation League of Nevada, says Las Vegas is home to many Christ-deniers and their spurious offspring. “Christ-deniers are out there, much to my amazement,” she says. “You might have even stood next to one while waiting in line at the local supermarket.”
But hold the phone, because there is now an even worse sin than Holocaust Denial, and it is called Holocaust Inversion, i.e., portraying Jews and Israelis as Nazis who have ethnically cleansed their rivals in Gaza, Lebanon, etc. Even Holocaust Remembrance Day in Spain is condemned by the new inversion-hunters for daring to commemorate the “genocide of the Palestinian people.” As Michael Hoffman says, this is because “Talmudists believe they have a superior nefesh (soul) compared with gentiles… The suffering of gentiles is always of lesser value compared with the cosmic contretemps of the Holy People.” And this, my friends, is Supremacism, if anything can be called by the word. Accept no substitutes. The 60 million killed in WWII are always of less importance than the (fictional) 6 million anti-Christs who died in concentration camps.
Still, denial of the Holohoax is not quite as all-encompassing as the Jews would have it. Even Holocaust Inversion doesn’t go far enough. Therefore, new thought crime penalties are necessary. “Today the New York Times made reference to denying ‘the scope of the Holocaust.’ I predict that soon we will have a category for those who deny the dimensions of the ‘Holocaust.’”
Christmas Eve is a Jew holiday called Nitel Night.
The klipot are parasitical evil forces that attach themselves to the forces of good. According to kabbala (Jewish mysticism), on the night on which “that man” — a Jewish euphemism for Jesus – was born, not even a trace of holiness is present and the klipot exploit every act of holiness for their own purposes.
For this reason, Nitel Night, from nightfall to midnight, is one of the few occasions when Hasidim refrain from Torah study. On this horrific night, they neither conduct weddings nor do they go to the mikveh (ritual bath).
“And all those lousy holiday songs by Jewish guys that trash up the malls every year, Rudolph and the chestnuts and the rest of that dreck. Did one of our guys write ‘Grab your loafers, come along if you wanna, and we’ll blow that shofar for Rosh Hashanah’? No, we didn’t.” ~ Garrison Keillor
Now, I thought that was a very good line, but surely, I thought to myself, the Jews who own big media wouldn’t censor a popular leftist like Garrison Keillor. I was wrong. Another good line from Keillor: “If you don’t believe Jesus was God, OK, go write your own damn ‘Silent Night’ and leave ours alone.”
This would be a good lesson for some friends of ours at the National Policy Institute to learn. On Christmas Day, they posted videos from It’s a Wonderful Life, Scrooge, Walt Disney, and Gene Autry singing Rudolph. What, no Jingle Bell Rock?
Asking pagans and liberals to rise to the poetic is apparently asking too much.
All things rich and wonderful that this world has ever known stem from the fact that Christ walked this earth. And Europe is sacred ground because European men and women made Christ their kinsman and their liege Lord. The pagan poet, like the pagan warrior, ultimately disgusts us because he lacks the spirit that elevates a man to a higher realm of existence, to the poetic realm.
This is a very encouraging video in which a group of Moldovan Christians are so outraged by a menorah in their town square that they take it apart and lay it at the feet of a statue of Stephen the Great. Police looked on approvingly. Father Anatoly Chirbik spoke for the patriots:
We’re an Orthodox Christian country. Placing a Jewish symbol next to the statue of Stephen the Great is an offense. Stephen the Great defended our country from all kinds of Jews and now they come and put their menorah right in the middle of our square. This is sacrilege!… The Cross here on our flag is our symbol. We will protect our nation with the holy Cross! No Jew will oppress us in our own nation!
Can you believe it? Christianity is still alive, and so are Christian heroes!
That didn’t take long. Jimmy Carter apologizes to Jews for accusing them of constructing a system of apartheid. The reason is found in paragraph 9. His grandson is running for office “in a district with a vocal Jewish population,” and obviously, Jews, operating as a racial collective, threatened to send massive funds to his opponent. In fact, we know this is true because it was specifically denied.
Jason Carter, who is running, said in a statement that his grandfather’s letter was unrelated to his campaign and hailed the apology as a “great step towards reconciliation.”
Don’t worry, be happy, at the Auschwitz swimming pool! And don’t forget your sunglasses. It’s a known fact that all German soldiers during the war were required to take the Elmer Fudd Correspondence Course on Genocide. If you doubt this fact, I’ll see to it that you’re taken from your family and imprisoned until your children no longer recognize you.
That’s a catchy tune in the video. Another good choice for an Auschwitz soundtrack would be Celia Cruz’s version of I Will Survive.
Hitler killed 6 million secularists and liberal elites!
Impressive: Ann Coulter is saying that the ACLU is Jewish.
When Rush Limbaugh was bought off. Terrorist Jew Sharon gave him a personal tour of Israel. “The best right-wing gatekeeper that 400 million federal reserve notes can buy.”
With a black president, you would think that Kwanzaa would finally be taken seriously, but even blacks are now tired of it. Then along comes one of the “conservative” anagramming blacks to explain why ethnic and racial traditions are unamerican.
The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, founder of BOND (Brotherhood Organization of a New Destiny) and author of “SCAM: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America” believes the holiday is racist. He advocates for blacks to see themselves as Americans—not African-Americans, thus no separate holiday.
“Get rid of it,” said Peterson, who is black. “Reject it completely. Just as we would do if a white racist came up with a false holiday to celebrate whiteness.”
Will Spain elect an Abraham Lincoln to slaughter the Catalonians and force them to remain in a compulsory “union”?
The next time someone tells you that Lincoln made war on the South to free the slaves, ask why Lincoln guaranteed the right of states to legalize slavery if only the South would rejoin the North. Had this amendment been ratified, “the JP Morgan-Rockefeller-Rothschild bankers would not have been able to submit joint resolutions to enact the 16th and 17th Amendments, nor create the Federal Reserve System. And Barack Obama would not have been able to take over the US banking institution or the auto industry. Nor would he have been able to fire the CEO of GM.”
“Know that wherever there is money there is the Jew.” ~ Montesquieu, Persian Letters
R.J. Rushdoony had a bad habit of equating foreigners with unbelievers, in Scripture, and viewing this as a general principle, and this often caused him to miss much of what the Bible says about the obligations and joys of kinship. For instance, he said our primary duty is to our families, and after this to all believers, which misses a huge swath of vital relationships in the middle, without which we are robbed of all that men cherish about their ethnic bonds, nationality, culture, and other things. (Go ahead, tell these 56 Chinese ethnicities that their kinship is accidental, and belief is all that matters. See how far that gospel train carries you down the tracks. Try to convince them that their ethnic traditions would still exist if only they would be permissive in blood and restrictive in ideology. Tell them to read a Jesse Lee Peterson book.) Still, this article on usury is quite interesting. Rushdoony writes that the lechery of usury was born not in ancient Israel but in Babylon, which more closely ties it to the Jews of today. The prophet Nahum lamented that Assyria had sinfully “multiplied merchants above the stars of heaven.” This is not, of course, because Nahum had anything against buying and selling.
The Babylonians were money-lenders not only out of dedicated policy but with fervor, zest, and relish. One of their proverbs expresses this outlook clearly: “The giving of a loan is like making love; the returning of a loan is like having a son born.” They were thus a breed of proud and happy Shylocks. Their whole world of business moved in terms of credit financing, and their whole concept of social control and of imperialism rested on usury. It is not surprising that Babylon the Great, the harlot, is the type in Revelation of the one-world order which shall seduce all nations…
Banks “create” money by fiat and by the unilateral action of simply recording a loan and a deposit on their books. The consequence is, not the personal and limited action of a biblical loan, but inflation, the dilution of the prior relationship of money units to total goods and services. As a result, there is a dilution of all money, and such “loans” mean an element of robbery in that they reduce the value of all other money units previously in existence. Fractional reserves and modern central banking (i.e., the Federal Reserve System) are modern applications of the old Babylonian principles and are equally conducive to the dream of empire…
“Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen… And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her…” In terms of this comes the summons, “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
Shylock? The Federal Reserve? Lending money is like making love? There is only one race of parasites that fits this bill, and we don’t call them Babylonians.
The Jewish pyramid of power:
You might like to gaze into this pit of folly, at the bottom of which may be found your tax dollars:
We must bomb and kill until everyone is permitted to vote!
There is not enough money in the world to pay down our debt. Meanwhile, these Babelist clowns have elicited the headline: “There’ll be Nowhere to Run from the New World Government.” And who will pay for it?
Congress is now considering the Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act, which would transfer public-owned lands to a native Hawaiian government within the state of Hawaii, creating a semi-sovereign, tribal state like Israel.
Proponents say the plan would duplicate the legal scenario set up for Native Americans, but the Akaka bill carves out new territory. Unlike Indian tribes made up of tightly knit populations that have lived together continuously, participation in the new group would be available to nearly anyone able to trace their roots back to a Native Hawaiian ancestor, no matter where they now reside. U.S. Civil Rights Commission member Gail Heriot told Congress in June that, “If ethnic Hawaiians can be accorded tribal status, why not Chicanos in the Southwest? Or Cajuns in Louisiana?”
The focus of the article is solely on non-whites, because anything more would be racist, but in fact, whites want to do the same thing in the Northwest and other places. This bill may not pass, but the legislation is actually being deliberated in Congress. The double standard is absolutely stunning. Hawaiians are only doing this out of love and concern for their own, but if we do the same thing, it means that we want to round up undesirables on cattle cars, gas them, incinerate them, and steal their shoes, gold teeth, and hair.
Indigroes finally get their own casino.
East Indians are finding that ideology isn’t enough to hold a billion of them together. They are now splitting along ethnic lines. As soon as they’re ready to let go of their hatred, we can send them some Jews to teach them about liberty.
It’s no good, Montag. We’ve all got to be alike.
Finally, do remember to tolerate your friends’ friends, however alien and peculiar they may seem to you. Don’t despise minorities…
“I think it’s irresponsible to have children.”
“Somebody’s got to have children, Jackie. They can’t let the race die out.”
“Babies grow up to look like you. That must be fun.”
Smother malice. Strangle violence. Suppress prejudice. Hate hate. Be tolerant today…
Meanwhile, the “report those who threaten you” campaign met with particular success today.
All birds are the same beneath their feathers, and words like “distinct” and “unique” are social constructs anyway.
“For after all,” the ducks declared, “we’re sisters ‘neath the skin.”
“[W]henever foreigners begin to mass in American towns, American citizens are called upon, even required, to sacrifice their community standards and traditions to give way to the aliens.”
Political jungle fever is an incurable condition. “Just as in Tom Wolfe’s great novel, Bonfire of the Vanities, the DA was always searching for the Great White Defendant to prove he wasn’t a racist, neocons and GOP cheerleaders are always looking for the Great Colored Conservative to prove they’re not racists, no matter how many times they make fools of themselves.”
“If a European is not a Christian, he will be susceptible to utopian thinking – Communism, racial egalitarianism, neo-paganism, whatever ideology that looks to a future without God and without real human beings of flesh and blood.”
The integration and miscegenation that preachers champion today was first pushed by Jews and Commies and Commie Jews, like this man. Ask your pastor what else Communists were right about.
Avatar is about a white colonist who becomes a hero “by turning against his own race and leading the fight of the natives to preserve their existence… As reviewer Armond White put it, ‘Avatar is the corniest movie ever made about the white man’s need to lose his identity and assuage racial, political, sexual and historical guilt.’” It’s like the opposite of the Magical Negro stories in which the omniscient character, generally played by Morgan Freeman, sets all things right by his blackness. In this case, the white character is not even needed except as the superior character who triumphs through whiteness, which usually takes the form of military might.
Movies that depict “the black family as a total failure” are unavoidable.
Here’s a still shot from Avatar 2, tentatively subtitled Cut the Bull:
Two white women treating adultery as something that just happens, like the afternoon rain.
It’s interesting that blacks are considered to be a branch of homo sapiens that makes them unlike everyone else on earth. (Never mind the “out of Africa” thesis, which is very likely incorrect. In fact, the whole diagram is likely incorrect since no one has ever explained how to go from white to black to white skin. I’ve tried it with chocolate milk, and there ain’t no way to get there from here.)
Chegroes are about as popular as SARS in China. The mother is correctly considered a whore by the Chinese, who, unlike Americans, are smart enough to realize that the entire people suffer from a “shameless bitch” like this who makes selfish decisions. And the same old lies are told that we always hear, such as the Chegro “only rarely feeling out of place” while growing up. Yeah, right. Naturally, she has never met her “father.” This line from James is priceless: “African culture seems remarkably consistent across the planet.”
A “no Indians allowed” ice cream store.
The British martial song, Heart of Oak, is shocking to read now that foes are welcomed to Britain as equals.
They swear they’ll invade us, these terrible foes,
They frighten our women, our children, and beaus;
But should their flat bottoms, in darkness get o’er,
Still Britons they’ll find to receive them on shore.
Our demise has been delayed. Let’s see if we can continue pushing the date back and even reverse the trend. If we fail, these will be the new stained glass windows in churches:
The master prophet and the prophetess. There’s a lot of head-wagging and crazy hair in that second clip.
Speaking of nappy hair, a new two hour documentary, just in time for the Tiger Woods scandal, covers “the remarkably complex, controversial, costly, time-consuming, and even toxic world of Black female haircare.” You know it wasn’t made by a white person, because that would be racist. The question of why black women are trying so hard to look white is explored. Sharpton and Rock conclude that black women “are merely being vain or stupid and should cut it out.” But the women will not stop, as long as cosmetics are available to them, because they know what everyone else knows: that there are no human beings on earth who are more beautiful than white women. “W.E.B. DuBois’ talented tenth are chasing blonde women.” Each race has its own qualities, but some things are just not debatable.
Then along comes Publisher’s Weekly with a cover showing a black head full of afro picks, each of which sports a “black power”/Communist clenched fist. The afro hit the fan, of course, since PW is not a black periodical, and only blacks are allowed to say anything about the sensitive subject. The senior news editor excused the cover shot as a “sweet, tongue-in-cheek funny and striking” image of “the 1970s-era wave of black pride, black power and big afros with big afro picks stuck right in the back.” In other words, black nationalism is endearing, but white nationalism is the stuff of Nazis.
You need to be careful about how long you spend in places like San Francisco. There must be something in the air that poisons the mind.
Use your mouse to find the best congressional districts.
Look at this very good blog on white places.
Shrinking mainline churches are finding a growth strategy in linguistic, gastronomical, and racial confusion.
Poor little Sanjay won’t be able to participate in the pluralistic winter festival because his father is an illegal alien. Dang if that don’t twist my hickory.
An illegal alien has stabbed a teenager to death for “daring to speak English in America.” This line, appearing in a mainstream newspaper, is a very good sign:
So much for the notion that illegal immigrants are universally a hard-working, law abiding set committed to doing the jobs Americans won’t do, all while trying to assimilate.
“We’ve got it tough,” says Senator Lindsey Graham. “We’re on our knees. Twelve percent of our people are unemployed and 31 percent of our people are black.” Every Christian should pray for the second number to be as low as possible.
At 29:45 of this White Horse Inn show, the guest exults that M.L. King, in his overrated Letter from a Birmingham Jail, appeals to Augustine and Aquinas rather than Marx, and this is why he was successful in overturning segregation. Then Michael Horton calls King a “scholar” with a “Ph.D.”
“I’m f*cking for God!… I’m not a Negro tonight!” ~ M.L. King, overheard by the FBI in the Willard Hotel, Washington DC, 6 January 1964
“Rape was an insurrectionary act. It delighted me that I was defying and trampling upon the white man’s law, upon his system of values, and that I was defiling his women.” ~ Eldridge Cleaver, Soul on Ice
“According to Jimmy Carter, the reason genital mutilation, rape, and other violence against females is common throughout the world is that the Catholic Church does not allow women to be priests.” Blaming Whitey is a respected Democrat tradition.
“Black people are never responsible for how they live… They just ‘end up’ in prison, somehow, by ‘chance.’” According to Jimmy Carter, Baptists and Roman Catholics are to blame for “creating an environment [throughout the world] where violations against women are justified.” Since they don’t allow women to be ministers, they’re responsible for female genital mutilation in Africa. “You can’t be a good American anymore if you don’t accuse anyone who disagrees with you politically of racism.”
Parents in Detroit are calling for their kids’ teachers to be imprisoned for their low test scores. And, frankly, it’s hard to argue with their logic if you believe that there are no differences in average intelligence between the races. We’ve tried everything we know how to do, no matter how costly or ridiculous, and the black/white achievement gap just keeps on chugging along like the Energizer bunny, even when adjusted for income, family status, etc.
“Do you think that people who give their children such names as Turkia (after Thanksgiving), Marashino Sherie, and Latrina should be allowed to have any say in the government of society?” How about Na’Tricianna Ma’Khayvighnon Philpot? Or “La-a” (pronouced “Luh Dash Uh”).
The population of Africa has quadrupled in just 60 years.
There will never be more than a relative few black homeschoolers because black women have math and verbal skill levels at the 19.7 percentile. The average white mother is at the 52.5 percentile. Steve Sailer has identified liberal schizophrenia in this way: IQ is of no importance at all, and problems that appear to be related to IQ can be solved by hiring white liberals to run Head Start programs.
A landlord who thinks he owns his own property.
I do not have any blacks on my property and I am aware that we have a biracial president, but no federal law will make me rent to anyone I do not want to… I’ll burn it down before I let the government tell me who to rent it to.
God bless this man. The one who came to arrest him “gave me a stare like he came to arrest a child molester.” As Rushdoony wrote in Foundations of Social Order, “An employer therefore has a property right to prefer whom he will, and he can prefer whom he will in terms of color, creed, race, or national origin.” Ownership of property is considered quite racist in our Communist age.
Articles like this make us laugh for being so absurd but also make us angry because of the malicious intent behind them. R.J. Rushdoony is denounced as “a racist, sexist, Jew-hating bigot who denies the holocaust. Don’t take it from me: The British Centre for Science Education refers to him as ‘a man every bit as potentially murderous as Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot or anyone else you may want to name amongst the annals of evil.’” That sounds pretty serious, except for the word “potentially.”
The hateful entrapment of the FBI.
This is another of those classic James Edwards posts. It’s just too good to pass up.
Likewise, whenever you see an article by Winston Smith zoom by on Al Gore’s freeway, you would be a fool if you did not chase it down with a pickup truck, shoot a grappling hook to its stern, and winch it to a stop. That may be the most tortured prose ever to appear here, but seriously, Winston’s articles are must-reads. And for the love of Porky Beirich, don’t miss his Cesspool show on Sunday night (tomorrow) in which he runs down the top ten most hateful quotes of 2009.
The term “anchor baby” is racist.
It’s time to play guess the white and guess the black.
Chiropractic is dead, according to a new study. The concept of subluxation has been discredited, which should leave chiropractors in competition with physical therapists.
A very interesting article on how the Bible is not necessarily ruralistic.
Oklahoma could very well be the most sensible state in the compulsory union. Now only liberal judges stand in the way of a law that requires information to be posted online for women who get abortions.
Now pro-lifers have joined “racists” as being considered mentally ill and incompetent for the legal profession.
Women are worse at parking than men, a new study confirms. In other news, scientists have learned that the moon is not made of green cheese, and fish are able to breathe underwater. Ladies, God knows we love you, but give us the keys before someone gets hurt. DWF (Driving While Female) is illegal in most states and provinces.
The deadliest place on earth. No, it’s not East St. Louis.
Only white men, the sons of Japheth, have dared to be explorers. Though on paper he would appear to be a failure, one of the greatest and most memorable explorers of them all was Ernest Shackleton. The stories of his adventures in Antarctica never cease to amaze.
For most people a 12-mile walk is considered very long, even in good weather, when well fed, sufficiently hydrated, and adequately attired. Imagine, then, doing that a hundred times over, while pulling 200-pound sledges across rugged and sticky surfaces, sinking up to your waist in snow, at temperatures of 60 or more degrees [below] of frost, beset by freezing winds and blizzards, on starvation rations (consisting of months-old meat and biscuits every day, for every meal), wearing threadbare and ragged clothing, with painfully frostbitten hands and face, sleeping in bags that have frozen solid, unable to bathe, shaking violently with cold every night, having to defecate into a hole in the ice inside a freezing tent, and, eventually, with a severe case of scurvy, without access to medicine, analgesics, or fresh food. Consider that at –4º F (-20º C), boiling water freezes instantly if thrown up in the air; –4º F was considered a warm day for the old Antarctic explorers. If you think this is bad, this is just the beginning.
There was no possibility of rescue, yet “civility, mutual respect, and a sense of responsibility were always maintained. The narrative does not suggest at any point that there was ever any panic, hysterics, back-stabbing, or selfish dog-eat-dog behavior, like that which we see so often and so convincingly depicted in modern [Jew] films.” They were simply overjoyed by their quest. And this review doesn’t even touch on Shackleton’s greatest act of heroism and his greatest accomplishment, being his unbelievable rescue of 22 men on Elephant Island. Contrast this behavior with New Orleans when part of the city was flooded.
“Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It’s Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself. Other races feel like subjects of western power long after colonialism, imperialism and slavery have disappeared. The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don’t grasp what it really means: humiliation. The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn’t conscious of it. Superiority excites envy. Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call ‘minorities.’” ~ Joseph Sobran, 1997
There’s so much good stuff here one doesn’t know where to start.
Let start with the delightful Auschwitz video. I’m very thankful for it, because I can now scratch Auschwitz off my list of places to visit before I die.
I truly hope Jews step up to the plate and confess their complicity in the holohoax, soon. If they don’t, then when the goyim of the world wake up to it, there’s going to be the biggest pogrom the world has ever seen. It is going to be international, and simultaneous.
The teacher in Las Vegas doth protest too much. She was not merely sharing her opinions. She is teaching. Count on the ADL to try make this about Christ deniers in supermaket checkout lines instead of about antiChrist teaching in the schools, religious bigotry and the dumbing down the little goyim as per the Protocols of Zion and Communist Party diktat.
It is beyond the power of this spiteful witch (posing as a teacher) to render nonexistant the Name above all Names which every tongue in heaven, earth and under the earth will confess Phil 2:9-11 in Whom we are baptised (1 Cor 1:13), in Whom we are justified (1 Cor 6:11)
God (H’Shem – the Name) is my strength and song; God (the Name) is become my Yashuah (Salvation) Ps 118:14
The Name of God given to men is Yashuah.
The antiChrist change agent of this story would sooner succeed in erasing the entire universe before she could erase the existence of Jesus, the Alpha and the Omega. So she has to settle for attempting to erase His Name from the minds of children.
Move over Moldova. Las Vegas parents are standing with you. Full Marks, I say, to the Las Vegas parents who are going to make a big deal out of this and sheet it home to the school and face off the ADL. GOOD ON THEM!
Sancte Michael Archangele, defende nos in praelio!
What is totally pathetic is the falsehood that the Romans (architects and engineers of the Circus Maximus, the aquaduct, the Roman Road all over Europe and Asia Minor) did not have the technology to erect a simple gallows. Why should even the tax dollars of atheists be supporting this type of ‘instruction’? To establish the non existence of Jesus she will need a better major premise than that. As for her minor premise, well – there isn’t one. So there is the lesson in logic.
She jumps straight from: the Romans couldn’t bang two planks together to q.e.d. Jesus never existed.
What this woman’s type of argument could establish, however, is a great holocaust inversion in terms of German engineering ability to construct a gas chamber. So why would anyone believe the (hypothetical) Final Solution depended on the Auschwitz contraption?
I suppose that if you believed that the Romans who engineered the Circus Maximus could not construct a gallows, then you would also believe that the Germans who engineered the submarine, V-2 rockets, the cuckoo clock and the autobahn also constructed the Auschwitz contraption to function as a lethal gas chamber for the execution of a mass population.
Whatever may be the point of this exercise, these are the lessons in religious education, history, technology and logic being taught to the little dumbed down goyim at the Las Vegas public school.
Just as Archbishop Sheen took to the US airwaves after the Vatican Council II and issued an APB for Roman Catholics who valued their eternal salvation to remove their children from the Catholic schools, someone is going to have to issue the APB for the goyim.
They had better remove their children from these schools or be prepared to fight the the schools, their board, their curricula, their TWAT control, the social workers and the ADL. The Las Vegas parents would seem to be up for it.
Today Dec 28, 09 is the Feast of the Holy Innocents in the universal calendar of the West. Also called Childermass.
This is a story of our times.
According to Josephus, John Hyrcanus the last Hasmonean (Maccabean) King conquered Edom on the Southern border of Judah. Hyrcanus was a pupil of the Pharisee Sect (of Babylon) which had infiltrated his kingdom. This sect used the scrupulous observances of the laws of Moses to subvert the Mosaic Covenant itself. The Pharisees had a secret oral tradition (today codified as the Talmud) and their observances and teachings had won adherents in the Hasmonean Kingdom. But their ethnic power base was in Edom to the South of the lands of Judah under the Maccabees.
Hyrcanus advisor, Antipater the Idumean (Edomite) prevailed upon Hyrcanus to force the conquered Edomites to accept the circumcision. They were converted virtually en masse to Pharisaism or Judaism. With this new power base, the Idumean (Jewish) Herodians were able to usurp Hasmonean rule. Their Pharisaic sect usurped the Chair of Moses in Jerusalem and imposed Pharisaism on the land of Judah. Thus Judaism. The people of Judah and Benjamin, holding to the Israelite Covenants, resisted.
The Bible story that I grew up with read the gospel story as a conflict over the identity of the King of the Jews. Herod was King of the Jews but not of the line of David. He sought the life of the infant Jesus who was the heir of David.
But, Herod as in Idumean / Jew was not even of the lineage of Israel, much less its royal tribe. The account that I grew up with narrated the slaughter of holy innocents as a slaugher of the Jewish infants in Judea. “Herod slew many children in Bethlehem Judah, the City of David.”
The Divine liturgy, however, in its selection of texts Jer. 31:15-17 clearly tells us who these infants were. They were the infant sons of the people of Judah and Benjamin whose parents lived in Bethlehem and the coasts.
“In Ramah was there a voice heard lamentation and weeping and great mourning, Rachael weeping for her children.”
The readings from the Fathers for Childermass explain that Rachael (of the tribe of Benjamin) is buried near to Bethlehem at Epratah. It was the infant sons of the Israelite Covenant: Judah and Benjamin, who were slain. Not the Idumean / Jewish children.
Just as today it is the children of Palestine resisting Jewish rule who are slain. Among them will be descendents of Judah and Benjamin. And if they are Christian, they are true Israel by birth and by faith.
The world witnessed this again last year in Operation Cast Lead.
The name of that invasion of Gaza and the massacre of a prostrate people and their children was taken from a Hannukah children’s poem: “For Hannukah”
Father lighted candles for me
Like a torch the Shamash* shone
In whose honour, in whose glory
For Hanukkah alone.
*Shamash is the Babylonian sun god. The central candle of the Hannukah menorah (the Attendant) is called Shamash. As in the boast of Nimrod: “let us build for ourselves a name – a Shem – for ourselves.” (literally a shining, sometimes shining name. Shamash is cognate)
The last verse of “For Hanukkah” names the spinning top the dreidel (as it spins out from its centre, its widening gyre covering more and more surface)
Teacher bought a top for me
Cast in lead the finest known
In whose honour, for whose glory
For Hanukkah alone.
The glory of Hanukkah is well served in our times.
But the voice of the prophet Jeremiah will bear witness to the true story in the divine liturgy of Childermass in the universal calendar of the West: “Vox in Rama audita est ploratus ululatus Rachel plorans filios suos.”
The Lord, King of Martyrs, O come let us adore Him.
Regnem Martyrum Dominum, venite adoremus.
Tim, you’ve touched on one of the unrealized effects of Holohoax mythology and perpetual war for Israel: anti-Christs themselves will suffer for their lies. This will be done in spite of the preference of most of us that nothing evil befall them (like Bilbo and Frodo sparing the life of Gollum). Those who know history will know that, when this happens, it will be nothing new. It has happened to the Jews many times before. They have met the same end as Shylock, by their own doing.
Given that even moderate revisionists like David Irving admit that as many as four million Jews could have been killed by Nazis, IMHO one really shouldn’t use expressions like “Holohoax”. That term implies that the whole issue of Jewish genocide during the WW II was entirely made up, whereas in reality it was only exaggerated.
It’s simple marketing sense as well: “Holohoax” word turns off potential recruits – ordinary decent people who know well that great amounts of Jews were indeed murdered in the 1940s, and who presume that revisionists are just dishonest whitewashers when they see them trying to deny the whole thing rather than just parts of it.
It’s similar to vulgar WNs calling Black people with terms like “muds”, making neutral observers think (often with justification) that such people are denying the human worth of colored folks altogether.
“We’re an Orthodox Christian country. Placing a Jewish symbol next to the statue of Stephen the Great is an offense.”
Here’s more about Stephen the Great, the national hero of Moldavia that fought against Ottoman Turkish and Tatar “Great Horde” invasions in the era between the Fall of Constantinople and the Reformation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_the_Great
“Stephan the Great is perceived by the Romanian Orthodox Church as a defender of the faith, of the Church, and the whole of Christianity. Stephen’s opposition to the Ottoman Empire protected the entirity of Europe from an invasion. After the Battle of Vaslui, Pope Sixtus IV named Stephen “the Champion of Christ” (Athleta Christi). It is said that he built 44 churches and monasteries, one for each battle that he won (44 out of a total of 48). At the end of the 20th century, the Romanian Orthodox Church decided to canonize Stephen”
And regarding Babylonians and usury: there is no doubt that Mesopotamia was the birthplace of banking. It spread westwards to another highly cultured Semitic people, the Phoenicians – or the Canaanites as the Bible called them. In the OT, “merchant” and “Canaanite” are often used as functional synonyms by prophets (see Hosea 12:7 for example).
Check out also this interesting piece:
“Did the Phoenicians Introduce the Idea of Interest to Greece and Italy; and if so When?”
http://www.phoenicia.org/interest.html
“Prof. Starr mentions 17th-century Europe often in his book on archaic Greece. I find it significant that the English conducted their business abroad via professional temple‑like organizations, e.g. the Levant Company, the Russia Company, the East India Company and so forth. William Scott’s History of English Corporations (1912) describes the early annual meetings of crown corporations such as the East India Company as being renowned for their great feasts. In these celebrations, and also in their hierarchies of corporate offices — and indeed in the very fact of their incorporation as autonomous bodies — the format and organization of British trading companies may be traced back to the Sumerian temples which literally were history’s first corporate entities. (I think of them as being something like regulated public utilities.) Guilds were incorporated as temples‑in‑miniature, as were almost all early corporations. I do not mean this as just a parallel. The point is that the English companies took their prototype the organization of temples vis-à-vis their dependents and servants, with their own hierarchies and calendrical rituals.”
Thanks, Admin, for posting the informative article by Lynda on the Edomite butchery of the Holy Innocents. This is the first time I have noted that there was a racial ‘fight to the death’ for the soul of (then) Biblical Hebraicism, during the time and era of Christ. I surmised as much when I learned of the Edomites, and Herod being an Idumean, as the Scriptures teach. But I could not put 2+2 together, until today. Thanks. Lynda. OF course, I would disagree with the premise that the Palestinians are in any way or manner, the heirs of the 12 Tribes, whom Josephus also stated, were not to be found in Israel/Palestine during Christ’s day, but were somewhere else- namely, Europe.
Merry Christmas Fr John to you, your family and all your congregation.
I am sure we will look into the subject of Judeans in the land of Judea in Roman Palestine under Roman / Judaic rule and Palestinians under Judaic rule as multi-ethnic populations. The distinct population of the white ‘Arabs’ are not Semites by all accounts. Some beautiful photos of them on Noor Al Haqiq’s blog. So we have plenty to write about in the new year.
Many thanks for your publication of the Christmas message of the Dinoscopus for the Roman Catholic Church in Eclipse on your website.
“If a European is not a Christian, he will be susceptible to utopian thinking – Communism, racial egalitarianism, neo-paganism, whatever ideology that looks to a future without God and without real human beings of flesh and blood.”—-EVERY christian I talk to is a racial egalitarian–It amazes me that after you quote that statement from CWNY you proceed to give examples of christians that believe in egalitarianism,ie–White Horse Inn, Jimmy Carter etc. Therefore, you yourself prove that Christians are ruining this country with their sappy egalitarian smiley face talk. Comon man, whach u talkin bout–?-Do u mean to tell me that if i convinced an atheist to become a christian next week, that he would not be susceptiable to utopian egalitarianism? Any church this convert would go to he would hear “We are the world’ theology and u know that, because u are smart–so what gives?
From Cordelia For Lear–
“Christians no longer believe in their mission as spreading the absolute truth, but see their own virtues reflected in the welfare state(ie-communism), and thus have destroyed their own relevance.”
check TRUE.
jew bankers
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAmazingamerica#p/f/1/_OBAZEgjqGU
DW, I’ll tell you exactly what I’m talking about. Your question is in line with what we’ve been discussing with Alex and other atheists and neo-pagans, and the uniform assumption on that side is that what we’re teaching here can’t really be Christianity because so many (let’s just say almost all) Christians today are race-mixers.
But why should this be so confusing? There are many examples of truths that have fallen victim to circumstances. One of these is federalism (the root is fide, Latin for faith). Everyone calls the empire in Washington, DC, a “federal” government, even though it ceased to be federal a long time ago. It’s called federal in all the schoolbooks, and no one thinks the word “federal” refers to anything other than the empire. The word has taken on a different popular meaning, but the word itself still means the same thing that it used to mean. As that son of a bitch, Lincoln, used to query: “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have?” Answer: 4. Just because you call a tail a leg doesn’t make it a leg.
The man is a fool who thinks that “federal” no longer means federal just because everyone has been convinced that the definition has changed. But this is what the atheists and neo-pagans do with Christianity.
Now, anyone out there is welcome to argue with Kinists on what the Bible actually says about race and kinship. We love a good argument; it’s name-calling and intimidation that we despise, and these always come from people who have no arguments. We’re not so arrogant as to believe that we have all the answers. We could be wrong about many things. But what you can’t do is argue that the Christians of all ages, who actually built civilization, did not agree with us on race and miscegenation. They interpreted the Bible as we do; not on every point, obviously, but the general thrust is the same. Our opponents in the churches do not even attempt to debate this point. They know it very well.
Part of the problem could be that if you don’t believe in sin, you won’t understand that true Christians, in their own imperfect ways, follow God-ordained standards that are outside themselves. They are not libertarians. As soon as I decide that I can determine right and wrong just as well as God, I have moved from Christianity to the religion of liberalism. This is essentially what has happened to the Church at large. But you should not for a minute think that millions of liberals who call themselves Christians have done anything to change Christianity itself. Besides, most people are in between these extremes. They have the good sense to know that something smells fishy but they go along with what they’re taught.
Skinny, that video is excellent. “Your soul is an appalling dump heap,” indeed.
This is what i hear you saying— Christians in the past did not believe in communism , egalitarianism etc–but yet, today they do. I agree,—Therefore, Christians HAVE BECOME SUSCEPTIBLE to egalitarian thinking. In other words you admit that Today, Christians think this way. Therefore they have become susceptible. This was my original point—How can you make a statement that “if a Europeon is NOT a Christian, he will be susceptible to utopian thinking” implying that if he is a christian he will not be susceptible to utopian thinking. The truth is that Europeon Christians today HAVE become believers in communism, the modern welfare state, and racial egalitarianism. If u say Europeons of the past were true christians,but today they are not— Then how come today they are not? what happened? how did these Christians become susceptible to utopion thinking?
The answer is easy–they are susceptable to it because the morality of the church, and dare I say the New Testament promotes it. IF christians in the past believed otherwise, then maybe they were wrong.
I am working for the Kingdom of God!(utopia), God is no respecter of persons(equality)….
I would like to add more, but I have to leave right now–I hope to discuss more–and yes, I hope to learn
“Besides, most people are in between these extremes. They have the good sense to know that something smells fishy but they go along with what they’re taught.”
Good point. Ordinary sincere Christians who are not into Pelagian heresy of redeeming themselves with do-goodery activism and reject the Masonic-Unitarian Babelist-ecumenical ideal are overall the most conservative population block existing in the West today.
There are many generally good Christian people today who are principled enough to refrain from ACTIVELY sucking up to the liberal establishment, but who still tend to yield to its will in a PASSIVE way. They are in a sort of centrist limbo – not corrupt enought to sell out to the dark side, but not strong enough to really fight against it either.
The fundamental problem is that so many Christians, especially leaders, are simply unwilling to carry the Cross of Shame. They are unwilling to be truly unhip and un-PC, hated and despised by the great and fashionable ones of this world (that is, they fear that Judeo-liberal elite will give them something worse than just the usual contemptuous dismissal of their opinions).
DW, Christians are very susceptible to egalitarianism, but the closer they study and practice God’s law, the less susceptible they will be. Embracing the plagues of the 20th century, like Communism and liberalism, has not been a good thing for the Church. Our time in history has been marked by great apostasy, but that makes it not very different from many other times in history with different circumstances. Still, it is just as true that if a European is not a Christian, he will be even worse off.
If you are so certain that the New Testament promotes egalitarianism, you have a lot to prove, beginning with an explanation for why Christians until recent memory did no such thing. You couldn’t be saying this because you personally disapprove of “the morality of the church,” could you? No, how silly of me.
Embracing the plagues of the 20th Century.
These plagues are the ideologies enumerated in the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ex cathedra) and twice ratified by Leo XIII. Each condemned proposition is a revolutionary principle of the Declaration of the Rights of Man. As such it is a subversion of some part of the holy faith and therefore an affront and opposition to the Rights of God. The incorporation of these condemned propositions into the faith, liturgy and praxis is the Church constitutes a Revolution and apostasy. Indeed it constitutes the Great Apostasy – apostasia: a defection, a revolt, a ‘falling away’.
“Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day (of the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ) will not come unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worshop so that he takes his seat in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be God.” II Thess 2:3-5.
These errors had to be infiltrated into the Church from the top. And they were.
Christian Order Magazine (Nov 2007) published an account of one of Dr Bella Dodd’s lectures at Fordham University as recounted by the Benedictine Brother, Joseph Natale. Dr Dodd is the author of several books. She was the former legal counsel to the Communist Party of the USA. She was the former head of the Party in New York during World War II. In the 1950′s she gave testimony before the House of UnAmerican Activities and was debriefed by the FBI second in command Cleon Skousin.
Brother Natale recounted of her Fordham lecture: “I listened to that woman for four hours and she had my hair standing on end. Everything she said has been fulfilled to the letter. You would think she was the world’s greatest prophet, but she was no prophet. She was merely exposing the step by step battle plan of the Communist subversion of the Catholic Church.”
[ Note: Vladimir 'the lie is sacred' Lenin vowed to destroy the Church in the 1920s. Albert Vassert 1955 (former member of the French Communist Party in France) revealed that Mosow had issued an order in 1936 that carefully selected members of the Communist youth under Communist Party discipline were to enter the seminaries and receive ordination, take vows of religious orders. Also confirmed by Manning Johnson, former official of the CPUSA in his testimony before the House of UnAmerican Activities.]
Brother Natale continues: “The whole idea, she said, “was to destroy, not the institution of the Church, but rather the Faith of the people and even use the institution of the Church if possible to destroy the Faith through the promotion of a pseudo religion, something that resembled the Catholic Faith and practice but was a counterfeit.
“Once, the faith was destroyed” she explained “Catholics would be ‘guilted’ … the ‘Church of the past’ would be labeled as ‘oppressive, authoritarian, full of prejedices, arrogant in claiming to be in possession of the truth, responsible for the divisions of religious bodies throughout the world. This would be necessary to shame the Church into an ‘openness to the world’ and to a more flexible attitude toward all religions and philosophies. The Communist fronts would then exploit this openness in order to further undermine the Church.”
Assuredly there was and is to be more in the dregs, but that will do for now. The sixth American Catholic dioscese has now gone into liquidation to pay the sex tab of these change agents while they ruled the roost.
For those who believe that the Petrine Office is the Rock of the Church and know what that Office actually teaches, it is manifest that the “abomination which makes desolate” is now in occupation of what was once the Holy See. And this is what he says at the inauguration of the Antipapacy:
“The essential goal of the U.N. is to maintain and to consolidate peace between peoples, of developing among them amicable relations founded upon the principle of equality of reciprocal respect and the broadest collaboration in all areas of human activity…One of the most important acts accomplished by the UN was the Universal Declaration of the Rights of Man. We consider this Declaration as a step toward the establishment of a juridico-political organization of the world community.” April 11, 1963. Pacem in Terris. Agello Roncalli. Antipope 1958 – 1963.
The UN Charter is point for point the Communist Platform of the Internationale. http://www.newsfromthewest.com publishes this Charter. It can be accessed from the sidebar. Of Communism, the Church infallibly teaches in Divini Redemptoris that it is intrinsically evil and that no one who values his eternal salvation may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever. Pope Benedict XI.
Giovani Montini (Antipope Paul VI speaking at the U.N. Oct 4, 1965. He refers to that Godless entity as “the last, best hope of mankind.”
Joseph Ratzinger, the current Antipope subverts the infallible teaching of Holy Church against the monstrous heresy of the age: liberalism. The doctrines of Vatican II (he opines) are a “countersyllabus of errors” which is an “attempt at an official reconciliation with the new [REVOLUTIONARY] era inaugurated 1789.” This is the liberalism of equality, fraternity and liberty – the cornerstone of the Revolution now in its Communistic phase.
As this Revolution culminates the world will be thrown into bloody turmoil. But the Antipapacy will bring the ‘peace’ of the new, one world ecumenical religion against these terrible, Revolutionary forces and then the counterfeit Christ, ‘the Saviour’ will appear.
The Christians, however, are warned. “When ye see the the abomination that makes desolate spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place” Matt 24:15 – go out from there. Our Lady has stated unequivocably that Rome would be the seat of the AntiChrist. (this statement bears the imprimatur of the Church). Christians are to leave that place and go to the refuge prepared.
We are to have no dealings with the global ecumenical church it is building, no dealings with its work for the Noachide Law under the Sanhedrin, no dealings with its Revolutionary Spirit of liberalism.
“If you are so certain that the New Testament promotes egalitarianism, you have a lot to prove, beginning with an explanation for why Christians until recent memory did no such thing”
Your argument is:
For a long period of time christians did not promote egalitarianism, therefore the new Testament does not promote egalitarianism.
1) Accepting your premise–ie-that christians untl recent memory did not promote egalitarianism—does NOT mean that is what is reflected in the NT. A lot of people for a long time can believe something is true, but it doesn’t make it so.This kind of argument was used against Luther –The catholic church said -”alot of people for a long time interpreted the bible our way, therefore you Luther are wrong.” Flawed argument.
2.)Let’s accept the premise that for a couple thousand years ‘christians’ did not promote egalitarianism, but only until recent memory(50? 100 years) have christians promoted it. So what? To you that means the viewpoint that was believed in for a longer time wins–But wait, what if we can look to the future,–let’s say the year 2209–someone can say– “for over 2,0000 years the church has promoted egalitarianism, and that’s longer then the time period that the church didn’t!”
Simple advice:If you are a christian then the issue to be proved should always be proved from the words written in the Bible.
3.) I do NOT accept the view that it has only been ‘christians of recent memory’ who have embraced egalitarianism. What i do accept is the fact that white Europeon christians have splintered into many different factions of christians–One group of white christians would say one thing, another would disagree, and both groups of christians would then accuse each other of not being christians. What each faction believed-ie- what made people equal(their brothers), was having the correct doctrine–”being of one mind’ NOT being of “one race”. Therefore, it is simple deduction from the NT that people believe that it is more important about what you believe, then what race you are—That it would be better to have a relationship with a person of another race(being of one mind) who is a christian then a non-believer of the same race.
But, You say that today’s christians are not interpreting the Bible correctly. Which means that christians of our day–are not really TRUE christians(this would mean that roughly 99.8% are not–THEY ALL GOT IT WRONG)
4.Christians of the past also believed in egalitarianism—-
Something to think about: If you go back to the days when the white christians who believed in sprinkling people with water for baptism as opposed to those white chtristians who believed in immersion(the dunk), you may recall that the sprinklers would persecute the dunkers–sometimes the sprinklers would kill by drowning the dunkers(you see they were not true christians). My point is not prove that the sprinklers were bad, and the dunkers were good. The dunkers persecuted other whites too. But think of this–I GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF A ‘NEGRO’ FROM AFRICA ARRIVED IN EUROPE BACK IN THOSE DAYS, AND THIS NEGRO WAS A SPRINKLER AND SIGNED ON TO THE SPRINKLERS ‘STATEMENT O FAITH’, THE SPRINKLERS WOULD REJOICE, ACCEPT THE NEGRO AS A BRETHERN WHILE CONTINUING TO HUNT DOWN THOSE WHITE DUNKLERS FOR THEIR ‘APOSTACY’. You see race has always come a far second to correct doctrine.
BUT WHY?
Because the history of white christians was never about unity and elevation of their race, but rather their DOCTRINES(Doctrine Wars). Mother against daughter in law, father against son etc. Jesus brought division. IE–”YOU ARE NOT MY KIN!! YOU Don’t BELIEVE IN IMMERSION OR YOU DON”T BELIEVE IN THE TRINITY blah blah blah…These white christians of the past you speak so highly off would IN A MINUTE–disown their own family and embrace a non-white, IF that non-white embraced their particular theological viewpoint while their own family member did not. The only reason that did not happen much is because the white christians of that time had very little contact with these non-whites.—ie-negros living in England, Germany etc in 1400,1500, 1600?..
When you read Augustine, Aquanis, Calvin, Gill, Spurgen do you ever read about race? NO, YOU READ ABOUT DOCTRINE- The Obsession is with what is the right DOCTRINE–And this obsession with doctrine causes division within the white race–and over our history whoever has the most power,well their doctrine prevails. Today that fight over doctrine continues—white people are obsessed with certainty–’having the truth’ –the right doctrine –they turn their backs on their own kin over doctrine–And why do they have such an obsession with having the right doctrine? The New Testament. What is empahsized in that book is DOCTRINE, –NOT KINSHIP. what is important is having the right doctrine(why you must, or you won’t go to heaven….)This trumps the importance of racial ties. For we are tied by our DOCTRINE, not race. Jesus came to divide families up over doctrine, he said so..
The history of white christian Europe—- Who is jesus? was he divine, not divine? does that mean he is God? or is he divine, but not god? No, he was divine and god. and if God, is he the father? No, some say he is not the father, but seperate. Yet JESUS is still God even though the father is God too. yet god is one–One God not two or three, since the Holy spirit is God too. it is very important you get the doctrine right or you will not get eternal life(UTOPIA)–and those that don’t? well, –they ain’t your kin
“The truth is that Europeon Christians today HAVE become believers in communism, the modern welfare state, and racial egalitarianism”
DW, what Lynda pointed out, and what many of us who are Kinists, but not Presbyterians, believe, is that Modern Europe has not BEEN Christian, since, oh, about 1917, for a convenient date. Thus, because they have abandoned the “Faith of the Fathers’ which is ‘living still’ (an allusion to a hymn many of us here know and love) they ARE susceptible, PRECISELY because they are not Christian— they may carry the name, but like Admin’s comments about ‘federal’ what’s in a name ain’t necessarily what’s in one’s heart…
And I for one, am willing to say ‘Those people aren’t Christians.’ For if they were, they wouldn’t be adopting all these heresies and errors.
My .02
should say year 4209 not 2209 and 2,000–I’ll clean this post up and put on my blog
Look, just because the NT is not written the way you would have written it doesn’t mean that it promotes egalitarianism. It’s not written as the zealots would have written it either. Here is your flawed premise: Just because paleo-Christians were not egalitarian does not mean that the NT is not egalitarian. This doesn’t imply that it is egalitarian either! Why don’t you offer some actual proof? And after so many thousands of years of not being egalitarian, you would think that one of those old-fashioned Christians would have informed the others that they were not following the NT, as you interpret it at the close of 2009.
In terms of salvation, one’s faith is more important than one’s race. No one is saved by race. Kinists exist to remind the Church of what the Bible actually says about this subject, which is that race and kinship are not made meaningless by grace. Nothing that God ordains is meaningless, and to work against God’s purpose is sin.
I don’t know why you’re on the warpath against doctrinal differences. Ideas have consequences, and the only way to end wars and doctrinal disputes and policy differences is to perform mass lobotomies. Non-Christians are every bit as doctrinally aggressive as Christians, of course. Yes, doctrine is important, such as the doctrine of the Trinity that you mentioned. Get that one wrong and you’re not a Christian at all. But if you believe the Bible emphasizes doctrine and not kinship, it’s clear that you haven’t read it.
Hey, here’s an idea. If you think doctrine causes problems, you should explain to a police officer that laws cause us to be divided.
Doctrine Wars, the Church is an Order – an Ecclesia ruled by bishops under Apostolic law. It is not a a democracy, a Jesus movement, a cafeteria of beliefs or a dictatorship.
Kinship: family, tribe / clan and ethnos are an intrinsic dimension of that Order because grace perfects nature. Our human nature and identity includes family relationship, extended kinship (clan or tribe) and nation – not just an individual personality.
By becoming Christian we are not stripped of our human identity – our sex, nation, race and many elements of the indigenous relgions bound up with ancestors and ethnos. Rather these are sanctified and perfected in Christ. And Christians are no longer strictly determined by that identity in ways that were ‘of the former things’.
Our Lord is the Saviour of men who rules all nations, but he does not cease to be Mary’s Son and the Lion of the Tribe of Judah who perfectly fulfilled the Abrahamic, Mosaic and Davidic Covenants of His people in the natural, geneological order.
For Christians to live His life abundantly we must have every dimension of our human identity: our gender, our family geneology, our ethnos and its cultural heritage. It does not follow that we are defined by these dimensions because they will be shaped by our membership in the Body of Christ.
The lives of the saints illustrate these points in abundance – both the dynamic, creative tension between ‘the former things’ and new creation in Christ, as well as the taking up and perfecting in Christ of the natural order.
This is very difficult to intellectualize and explain, but very easy to see in lives that have been sanctified in Christ, namely the saints.
DoctrineWars raises a number of interesting questions and makes a number of interesting points. However, the bulk of his remarks concerning the priority of doctrine over race in older Europe are interpretation or speculation – not history. One of the intriguing things about the current racial controversy is that prior ages seemed to be free of it. If we search the writings of Christian scholars over the centuries to learn their views of race, we find such writings almost entirely devoid of comment on the matter. It will not do to say that the 20th and 21st centuries see races geographically mingled in a way that prior ages did not. Just for one example, Rome became a center of mingling peoples from all over the then-known world. This, indeed, was a factor in the decline and fall of Rome. Yet, what did Augustine write about the Christian idea of racial integration? The fallacy of DoctrineWars’ approach is that we cannot take a dearth of comment from prior Christian scholars as indicating that they were indifferent to the matter of race. The dearth of comment does not support any conclusion – rather it raises its own questions. What did ancient and medieaval Christians understand by what we now call “race”? If they understood anything analogous, it is clear that they did not call it by the same terms. There still is quite a lot of work to be done to discern historic understandings of these things. DoctrineWars’ speculations are unwarranted and unhelpful.
Thanks for the comments–
Here’s something extra I added to my blog post–
The New Testament teaches we judge a person ‘ by the content of their character’-ie: if they ‘accept Christ’, not anything else. Is it any wonder that ‘racism’ is such an evil in our Western world? It dervives from the teachings of christianity which is that we must embrace all people regardless of race, social status etc, or anything but doing the will of God, which is another way of saying the ‘content of their character’. Listen to Jesus:
Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.”
But He answered them, saying, “Who is My mother, or My brothers?” And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” – Mark chapter 3 (Matthew 12)
Now, I don’t know about you, but when I read that, it sure seems like Jesus is saying,…now I could be wrong, but it sure seems to me that Jesus is saying–”yes, those people are my Kin, but that doesn’t matter at all; what makes someone my brother or sister is not that if they are my biological kin/race but rather if they ‘do the ‘will of god’- ie-’content of their character.
Here’s what JOHN CALVIN Said about this passage–”At the same time, by disparaging the relationship of flesh and blood, our Lord teaches a very useful doctrine; for he admits all his disciples and all believers to the same honorable rank, as if they were his nearest relatives”
Calvin writing in the 1500′s later says about this passage–”Although these words seem to imply that Christ has no regard to the ties of blood, yet we know that in reality he paid the strictest attention to human order, and discharged his lawful duties towards relatives; but points out that, in comparison of spiritual relationship, no regard, or very little, is due to the relationship of the flesh.” ie–that christ has no regard, or very little to the ties of blood.(it seems that Calvin contradicts himself here, but the main conclusion -”Give no regard or very little to ties of blood” stands.
Is it any wonder that white Europeon/Americans coming out of a tradition of Christianity have an attitude that ‘race’ doesn’t matter?
It seems me–I’m just saying–It seems to me that race and kinship can be made meaningless by grace,and/or doing the will of God. Can the above passage be understood another way? not sure..
P.S—A response to ”If you think doctrine causes problems, you should explain to a police officer that laws cause us to be divided.” I have no problem with doctrinal divisions, but only if it’s over silly stuff like ‘should we sprinkle or should we dunk’? or arguing over which side should we crack our egg when we make on omlette, the right side or the left.
Strangely, you’re interpreting Galatians 3:28 exactly as the race-mixing Christians interpret it, and it’s wrong. There is a world of difference between recognizing no distinctions concerning salvation among the elect, and using this fact to jump to the horrendous conclusion that distinctions of any kind in life are made irrelevant. If this were true then we would have to conclude that the Fifth Commandment only applies to Christian parents, and all the obligations we share for our people must be ended and applied immediately to everyone in the world who might be a Christian.
I haven’t seen the Calvin quote in context, but if he is saying anything other than what I wrote in the paragraph above, he is simply wrong. Far from “disparaging the relationship of flesh and blood,” we are told by the apostle Paul that if we fail to provide for our own, and especially the blood kin of our own families, we are worse than infidels. In the second quote, Calvin is saying what I said earlier, which is that grace is more important than race, just as my love for Christ is more important than my love for my wife and children. But I would have no clue about how to measure such things. Instead, I recognize that I am not capable of fully loving my family and my kin unless I love Christ with all my heart. So I understand what Calvin is trying to say, but I would never phrase this as having “no regard, or very little.” I think this kind of language is extremely irresponsible.
I forgot to mention that the Mark 3 passage refers to the same thing, that we are all able to approach Christ equally. This is why the brothers of Christ, though highly honored, did not presume to be apostles of higher rank after Pentecost.
Here’s another perspective on this discussion–
In the begining God created Adam. I always found it strange that all races could come from Adam and Eve.I mean 2 rosy cheeked people created decendents who are black, brown, Asian? Strange. Was Adam the first ‘man’- the father of every race of people,–of everyone? Or was adam the first –well, “adam” a paticular type of human being? Does God have/want a special relationship with everyone, or one family of people–adam and his descendents?
When you read the bible and watch this family grow–12 brothers(decendents of Adam) become 12 tribes– ‘Israel’. The Bible is a book about this one family of people surrounded by the heathen nations whom the bible refers to many times as ‘beasts’. When you read the bible this way, it makes a lot more sense. It is the book of the generations of ADAM. Israel(Adam’s descendents) later goes into exile,–scattered they become many nations, as was predicted,- read Genesis 48:19(see ESV version). God promised he would bring the exiled Israel back to him, while forgiving them of their sin–Now that’s good news!This is done through Jesus. He’s come to redeem his purchase(bought with a price)–the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Just as the ten commandments were given only to Israel–the new testament was only given to Israel–or the multitude of nations(fullness of the nations) that they have become. The Lost tribes of the house of Israel–they are to be God’s light in this world of darkness. Yes, the Gospel went out among the nations, but which nations? It went to the north and west(to the multitude of nations that the lost sheep of the house of Israel had become). Now, who was living there? Zulus? God had no interest in any other nations but those nations except where his bride Israel went.
Someone said but the Bible says “go forth into the whole world” Well, the Bible also declared that Ceaser taxed the whole world.But did he?
Keep struggling for the real truth, the whole truth-and keep on exposing these lying sanctimonious moneylovin people pleasin fake christians on your blog!
Eusebius refers to the kindred of our Lord who were of the tribe of Judah and the House and Lineage of David as ‘the Desposyni’. And many of these names we know from the Bible: the Blessed Virgin Mary (our Lord makes provision for her in his last hour upon the Cross. To John: “Behold thy mother”), St Jude, St James – bishop of the Church in Jerusalem – his brother, which the tradition of the Church interprets as cousin. He founded the Church in Spain.
Many of Desposyniac Christians of the House of David journeyed to France and established the Church there. From the time of the conversion of the Franks under Clovis, the Church in France has held that the Merovingian dynasty (of which Clovis was a member) was a Desposyniac House. The House of David within the Church descends by direct line through Charles Martel and Chalemagne and the Capetian dynasties of the French kings.
The story of the anointing of Clovis by St Remy is not just a pious tradition. Many witnesses of the French clergy testified that the holy oil was sent from heaven bourne by a dove; that it was preserved in the Sainte Ampoule at the Abbey of St Denis right up until the French Revolution when it was “arrested” and by the Masonic accounts destroyed. There are many, many traditions regarding Sainte Ampoule – even the protocol for its conveyance from the Abbey of St Denis to Rheims for the coronations.
The Crown of the Lilies is going to be recovered and will play a most significant role in the restitution of all things.
The prophet Amos wrote of this: “In that day, I will raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen and repair its breaches and raise up its ruins and rebuild It as it was in the days of old that they may possess the remnant of Edom (and that is Jewry) and all the nations who are called by my Name.” Amos 9.11. The nations that are “called by my name” are of course the nations of the Christendom that bear the Name of Jesus which is “my Name” – Salvation: Yeshua.
“because grace perfects nature.”
Lynda, pure Thomism. I haven’t heard this phrase since, oh, 1968. And I don’t know if I believe it, either. After having read van Til, and the Orthodox on ‘synergy.’
Admin,
Once again, an amazing post. I don’t know how you guys keep outdoing yourselves, but I’m thankfull you do. Happy anno domini to you and yours.
A very interesting article by the venerable Rushdoony. Still, he seems to leave room, as many christian today do, for the elevation of foriegn christians to the place which should be reserved for blood kin. Which only underlines what DW has been writing about. Nevertheless, the so-called ‘egalitarianism’ of Scripture is, as you said, an equality before God and an equal dignity as humans made in His image. It doesn’t mean we’re all the same in the natural order of things, nor does it mean we should be. To say Jesus actively disparaged His own blood ties is flatly contradicted by other places in the gospels. John writes: ‘He came unto His own, and His own recieved Him not’. Compare this to what Paul said when he taught christians to provide for ‘their own’ and especially those of their own household. Our own means our extended family, our race, our nation. Jesus came first to His own nation. His remarks toward His own family on one occasion need to be read and understood in this over-all context. Jesus was not throwing off all family ties; for he stood among blood Israelites, distant relatives for crying out loud, when he said ‘those who do the will of my father are my mother and brothers.’ Our Lord was a kinist, who came first to save His people from their sins. Spiritually, those of His own race who also believed in Him, took priority over unbelieving immediate family members. But this passage says nothing at all about foriegn believers taking priority over unbelieving familyJesus told the caananite woman that she was not entitled to the bread prepared for the children. He goes so far as to call her a dog. occupied by blood kin. Which only underlines what DW has been writing about.
Sorry, I hit submit before I was done. That last sentence should read: “But this passage says nothing at all about foriegn believers taking priority over unbelieving family members, and it must not be read as though it does. It must always be remembered, that during the earthly ministry of Jesus, there were no foriegn believers to speak of. A few gentile converts perhaps, but the gospel was first sent to Israel, and then to all the world at Pentecost. Don’t get ahead of the story.”
Exactly, Caleb. As Lynda says, Jesus made provisions for his own mother even as he hung on the cross. This makes no sense if his mother was the same as everyone else. And if his people were the same as everyone else, the gospel should have gone to the Gentiles immediately rather than 3 1/2 years later.
I do not doubt you, Fr John, that you have not heard the expression “grace perfects nature” since 1968 as the Catholic faith was still relatively intact in 1968 – the sacrament of orders had not yet been extinguished in the R C Church.
Today, however, Catholic publications that once quoted the Angel of Schools now quote liberation theology, gaia theology, Wiccan nuns; believe me – this malady is very far from having run its course…
The analogy of St Thomas is: “grace perfects nature as glory perfects grace”. This is a hierarchical concept and I do not think it is at odds with synergy either in nature or in the Spiritual life. The human body, for example, displays many synergetic properties such as metabolism; its hierarchical properties, however, are what make life really interesting.
A perfect example is a white nation – the Christian faith perfects and elevates its ancestral traditions, but among those people – the life of a saint, such as the life of King Edward the Confessor, will glorify aspects of nature refined by grace. The institution of governing kingship – by the word is from preChristian times, but Edward was a Christian monarch who chose to spend many hours kneeling before the Corpus Christi in the deliberations of his government.
Even as our Lord is “the glory of thy people Israel”, a saint is the glory of an entire people.
“Even as our Lord is “the glory of thy people Israel”, a saint is the glory of an entire people.”
LOL- Were you reading my sermon for Sunday? Sounds like you lifted a quote almost verbatim.
Doctrinewars raises some interesting points. I would reply as follows: Kinship and doctrine are not necessarily opposed. As we kinists view it, kinship is a doctrine pertaining to faith. As Acts 17:26 affirms, it is the division of nations that leads men “to seek after God.”
Loyalty to God must be higher than loyalty to family and people, but loyalty to God also requires these subsidiary loyalties. And for families and peoples to exist in the real world, there must be at least some degree of separation from other families and peoples.
This is the context of Jesus making the statements about faith being higher than family. The Bible in no way regards blood ties as meaningless. Look at the length of genealogies in both testaments and the commandment to honor father and mother, one of the commandments Jesus quoted when the rich young ruler asks what he must do to obtain eternal life.
Jesus’ point is that love of God must be even higher than the God-ordained love of family. A practical illustration would be a father who commands his Christian son to lie, steal and murder. In that case, the duty of the son is to disobey. Yet even then the tie of kinship remains. In the Old Testament, David had to wage war against his evil son Absalom. But after Absalom’s defeat and death, his father’s love endured: “Absalom, Absalom, my son.” In a very profound way, kinship is an earthly reminder of God’s grace: love in spite of, not because of, the content of our character.
DoctrineWar’s further comments do not help. Evidently Peter did not understand Jesus to mean what DW claims is the only sensible interpretation, for it took a special sign from heaven before Peter would believe that he ought to go and preach to the Gentiles. Also, we now see the “Adamic Man” idea making an appearance. The Bible is not a book that suddenly dropped into our laps from outer-space. It is not as though we just now are faced with the task of systemetizing its teachings. From our vantage-point there is a long history of scholarship into this matter. DW suggests that a way of reading the Bible that “makes a lot more sense” is an approach that somehow never occurred to devoted and godly scholars for thousands of years until now. There is a lot of historical, philosophical, and theological discussion to hash over pertaining to DW’s thesis. But perhaps the greatest hurdle for views such as his is that those who espouse them seem entirely oblivious of the burden upon themselves to explain how Christian scholarship all these centuries has totally missed what they characterize as plain and obvious.
DoctrineWars is an uncritical Nietzsche fanboy who apparently seriously considers the ravings of a mentally ill, chronically asocial German philosopher to be a useful guide to practical modern politics and community practises.
Thank You, Luther and SCM for your responses. Luther is correct. I agree that Kinship and doctrine are not necessarily opposed but yet they can be. When it comes to choosing between a non-family member that believes, and dare i say to you all –someone of a different race that is a believer as opposed to family/race member who is not a believer you shun the family/race member and embrace the believing non family/race member. You treat the believer as if they are your KIN.
Most of reformed scholarship would agree with this. As, if that matters to you. I would like to see one of you guys debate James White on this issue, using ONLY scripture as your guide.
And SCM–What’s up with— I must ‘explain how Christian scholarship all these centuries has totally missed what I characterize as plain and obvious’.?
–Your appeal is to tradition–The very same argument that the catholic Church used against the reformers. Whatever happened to ‘scripture alone’? The catholic church had been around over a thousand years before Tyndale, Luther etc came along to straighten them out. In fact, Catholic teaching on many doctrines has a much longer tradition than Protestants. -so what?
Adam Clarke was a great scholar and Dr. Adam Clarke gives a very long and elaborate article on the temptation of Eve. His opinion is that the tempter was an ape; he builds his hypothesis on the fact that the Hebrew word (nachash, Gen. iii, 1) is nearly the same with an Arabic word, signifying an ape and the devil! Now, I think that went against most ‘scholarship’ before him, but does that mean he was wrong? Maybe, but maybe not.
You say—The burden is upon me ‘to explain how’ Christian scholarship all these centuries has totally missed on what others say is plain and obvious. I get it–”Galileo, you ‘must explain’ why so many astronomers all these centries didn’t see what to you is ”plain and obvious” I expect better reasoning from a white man.
and, I never did say anything in the scriptures is ‘plain and obvious’ .
I might add that your appeal to the ‘majority of christian scholarship of the past’ betrays your prejudice towards democracy which is another outcome of christian morality–with it’s equality of believers in the eyes of God doctrine. Frankly, I don’t care what the herd thinks. I stand alone, as Luther did. Scripture alone. These men of the past were not infallible. Although, they acted like they were–most would hunt down their fellow Kin if those kin didn’t agree with their own finite interpetations. They didn’t do a very good job of making their fellow white men and women feel like ‘family’ now did they? I wouldn’t burn to the stake a fellow kinsmen(or non-kinsmen for that matter) because they didn’t understand Thomas Aquinas’(ie-aristolenian) conception of the Trinity. How cruel and idiotic. I wonder if these ‘heretic hunters’ did these brutal things because they put such a high emphasis on kinship? ….Well?, Did Christianbity put a high emphasis on the unity of the white race? You say, yes they did–Of course,they did–why that’s elementary.
Now, I ask you– would I want to hang out as a white person in Calvin’s white Geneva if I expressed a viewpoint that I didn’t understand the Trinity doctrine–hmmmm….I’m sure I would be treated like family–Of course, I would feel right at home, and everyone would be so kind to me. And of course, if I was in all white Catholic France, I’m sure I as a white person would feel right at home if I was Lutheren. Most people who have a high value of kinship always put their kin in a dungeon for disagreeing with them. Of course, it is evident that unity of the white race has always been a high attribute of christianity, what was I thinking!?
Liberals always talk about how bad whites treated other races–but look how whites treated each other. Ask yourself,- would you feel safer as a black person in the white ‘racist’ south 1850 or as a non-trinitarian white person in Geneva 1550? or as a Luthern in white Catholic Europe 1519? Are u kidding me?……And all in the name of christianity…
And Liberalism(Communism) sprung out of Christianity–They view the world in the same way-1. This world/society stinks and we are called to change it. 2. Those that are brethren share our doctrine, are part of our ‘party’ ‘church’ 3. Those that are outside of our ‘doctrine’ ‘platform’ ‘party’ ‘church’ are the enemy and must be dealt with. 4. We do these things in the name of ‘utopia’ the ‘workers paradise’ the ‘kingdom of god’. 5.We do it because we ‘love the poor’, ‘blessed are the poor’. 6. They both gain pleasure from hunting down, persecuting, shunning others for SAYING THE WRONG THINGS/BELIEVING THE WRONG THINGS. Those who are against us are are ‘racists’ ‘heretics’.7. They both use pity, guilt and conscience as weapons.
Here’s another irony,- I can gleam that if you were back in Luther’s day, you would have been rebuking him for going against the ‘majority of christian scholarship’ And yet, what is so ironic, is that you sit here today and go against all christian scholarship–the consensus of ‘christian scholarship’ today believes in and promotes racial egalitarianism. But supposedly, the majority of ‘christian scholarship’ of the past didn’t, so that proves they were right….?
Questions I raise, such as how did all these different races come out of two people–can not be answered. The fact is that all races can’t come out of 2 people, which means they didn’t.
You’re conflating several issues.
Which of us has said that we would reject non-believing kin in favor of believing strangers? This sort of thing began to be taught when the old “racist” Christianity was neutered. Clearly, if you use the apostle Paul as an example, this is forbidden. This is why I raised the point about the Fifth Commandment. It’s not only for Christian parents.
Then you express various objections to the law. In the real world, men are required to obey the law, and in Christian countries, the law is biblical, according to how men interpret the Bible. Even here in our own colonies, churches were established by sect. Get used to it.
Final note: you may not reject non-believing kin in favor of believing strangers. That’s fine. I am more interested in why you think that is biblically ok, especially from a New Testament perspective. I was willing to learn.
you said–”men are required to follow the law, in christian countries, the law is biblical, according to how men interpret the bible” Like I said in an earlier post,- The sect that has the most power determines that. Therefore, those that control the christian church’s today and interpret biblical law(miscegenation is ok) must be obeyed. Get used to it.
My favorite response was this one—You are an ‘uncritical Nietzsche fanboy who apparently seriously considers the ravings of a mentally ill, chronically asocial German philosopher to be a useful guide to practical modern politics and community practises.’ That’s funny–maybe it’s me that’s insane- demon possesed.
Although I do agree with SWB’s earlier comment– ‘We love a good argument; it’s name-calling and intimidation that we despise, and these always come from people who have no arguments’
In defence of Nietzsche,- although he was raving mad and he had disagreements with others like Schoppenhauer, he did NOT advocate that those he disagreed with be tortured or burned at the stake. Much unlike that gentle sane reasonable John Calvin. By the way, The Institutes is a great work.
Give Nietzsche a break, he went koo-koo the last 10 years of his life as a result of syphillis because he had sex with a whore. He became very sick. Are not christian’s supposed to have compassion with the sick? I wonder how many of you ever had sex with some loose woman? or, I wonder how many of you have ever been a loose woman? I’m not accusing, just wondering. Of course, you all are all forgiven. Give Nietzsche a break. show some pity.
I’m still waiting for a christian to refute Nietzsche’s arguments–It’s easy to refute Richard dawkins,(Ben Stein) but it’s not so easy to refute Nietzsche. 100 years after Nietzsche’s death and not one book or christian ministry devoted to demolishing this ‘raving madman’s’ arguments. Too bad Calvin died, I bet you he could do it. Oh well, Nietzsche certainly was ‘mad’. lol
Here was another comment I read–
“There are many generally good Christian people today who are principled enough to refrain from ACTIVELY sucking up to the liberal establishment, but who still tend to yield to its will in a PASSIVE way. They are in a sort of centrist limbo – not corrupt enought to sell out to the dark side, but not strong enough to really fight against it either.” Here’s a simple response to this–They are neither hot nor cold, Jesus gonna spit them out
and another comment –”The fundamental problem is that so many Christians, especially leaders, are simply unwilling to carry the Cross of Shame. They are unwilling to be truly unhip and un-PC, hated and despised by the great and fashionable ones of this world (that is, they fear that Judeo-liberal elite will give them something worse than just the usual contemptuous dismissal of their opinions).”—THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT OF THEM ALL–My question back to this comment is–Then, what good are they? Why would I want to identify myself with them? They are good for nothing. i spit them out. Spew.
what’s on tbn tonight?
I’m sure glad this ain’t the 1500′s or 1600′s in white Eueope and u guys are in power—oh boy, would I be in trouble–Oh my, I’m afraid of my Kin!
WE AIN”T YOUR KIN, BLASPHEMER!!!
AAAHHHH!
I couldn’t agree more, doctrinewars.
“Can you believe it? Christianity is still alive, and so are Christian heroes!”
Not really, no. It’s alive -sort of- for now, but it has no future except in a very degraded, syncretized form in regions like Africa, South America…and Moldova. Its eventual total demise is inevitable.
DW,
You were willing to learn, eh? I’m afraid any honest person reading this thread would have to come to the opposite conclusion. But here you go:
Compare: Romans 9:1-3 with Matt. 15:21-28. These will show what Jesus and Paul believed concerning the priority of kinship. Peter believed similarly, for he recieved a vision from God BEFORE he would take the gospel to gentiles. Acts 10.
‘Nation’ in the Bible equals ‘ethnic’ group, race, stock or blood-line. God divided up the peoples of the earth into many nations in Genesis 11. In Acts 2:1-11, Pentecost is recorded. In this extraordinary event, the Holy Spirit ennabled the Apostles to speak in the languages of the many nations represented in Jerusalem at that time. The significance is this: God honored the nations, by condescending to communicate in their own languages. God DID NOT reverse Babel at Pentecost, as many now teach. On the contrary, separate nations were established by God Himself, the 1st advent of Christ did not change that fact (Acts 17:26) and nations, plural, will be represented in heaven, Rev.21:24.
One more thing. Jesus was sent by His Father to ‘His own’, John 1:11. Compare this expression, ‘his own’ with what the Apostle Paul teaches Timothy in 1Timothy 5:8: ‘But if anyone does not provide for HIS OWN, and especially those of his household, he has DENIED THE FAITH, AND IS WORSE THEN AN UNBELIEVER.’ Let that sink in for a minute. Christians are explicitly taught in this verse to care for their blood kin. Who exactly are our own, if they’re not extended family, distant relatives by blood, our own ‘ethnos’ or nation? Paul is not being redundant here; he is not saying ‘take care of your immediate family, and especially the immediate family under your roof’. No. He is teaching the priority of nationhood, of belonging to a particular people. Moreover, if we don’t do this, we deny our faith and are worse then unbelievers! Why? Because even unbelievers, unrepentant as they are, care for THEIR own, that’s why.
Look, I don’t expect this to change you’re mind. But christians really did teach and believe this until the modern age, and the radical egalitarian teachings of Marx became a cancer within the church and within our civilization. But you asked for proof from the N.T. Here it is.
Chopper Dan,
Many greater men then you have crowed over the weakness and apparent impotence of the church universal. But His strength is ever perfected through human weakness, as church history shows over and over again. And the reason for this, that no man should boast and God recieve all the glory from the redemption He has wrought, will never be apparent to you until you abandon your sinful pride.
Calebsrightarm – this is cutting to the chase along with SWB Admin and the others over on the April 24 2005 post redux. Ad venatum vadamus.
In the centuries of its strength, the Church was a Christendom of European nations holding to one faith, one Lord, one baptism. Christian culture was highly differentiated and cultivated in Europe according to national way of life (even by parish) and yet the Church sent missionaries all over the world.
Even today, within the same nation – the Christian culture of Brittany is very distinct from the Christian culture of the Languedoc.
Even if every last white man, woman, child were to become convinced that their Aryan race, its nations and clans and cultures are a nonexistance – it would not be nonexistant to other races and their nations. To them we are a highly distinct and differentiated ethnicity. And among Christians they make some very funny jokes about us – stuff white people like, basically. They laugh at our noses, the way we sunburn, our courtships, our complexities, the realities we identify as problems.
This was very evident in the mission countries like Papua Nuigini under the Australian Protectorate.
In the highlands of the Owen Stanley Ranges along the famous Kokoda Track (of WW II), the identity was not so much race – the Papuan race – as between the Christian Clans / Villages and the Clans / Villages which held to the indigenous animism.
The Christian villages were Luthern, Catholic and Seventh Day Adventists. And the Christian Papuans kept very strictly to their village lifestyle and customs. As Christians, these clans turned their backs on the highland lifestyle revolving around: cannibalism, head-hunting, ancestral curses, feuds and witchcraft which was the power cult up there (as it is everywhere else).
Papuans regenerated in the waters of baptism were done with all that. But they never became European (or even remotely Aryan) in their customs or Christian Way. In the Lutheran villages they tended to go in for boar’s tusks (appropriately) and dim dims. In the Catholic villages they went in more for feathers and lap laps. Whereas the Seventh Day Adventist villages named their sons after angels. When you go up to the Kokoda Track there are many monuments to the Papuan regiments that helped the Australians fight the Japanese advance during WW II – all with their distinctive Clan crosses. On the Track, you always know the Seventh Day Adventist villages because of the prevalence of the Gabriels, Raphaels, Michaels on the monuments.
According to the Australian veterans of Kokoda, the Gabriels were the best on the howitzers by all accounts. There were entire ‘Gabriel’ contingents on the Kokoda campaign.
In the highlands you had Papuan Christian Clans / Villages that lived in fear of the pagans of their race. Yet they joined the citizen soldiers of the Aust 7th Division that engaged the Japanese Imperial army when Maj General Tomitaro Horii’s Nankai Shitai veterans of China, Guam and Rabaul invaded Papua Nuigini as a staging post for the assualt upon the Australian mainland. Ultimately it was the 7th Division relieved by the Australian 39th Btn that turned them back in the Kokoda campaign. Their success would not have been possible without the Christian villages of the Owen Stanley highlands.
Even though these people, as a race, were a stone age culture never even inventing the wheel – they mastered their fear of 20th century technology and enlisted with the Australians.
My grandfather told me that it was another world up there on the cloud forests of the Owen Stanley. He said it reminded him of (get this) Wales when his own Taid was young. Every village was – a choir. It was common to see the young Papuan Christians (aged 13 or 14 years) the scars of their tribal and clan initiations still fresh wearing their Clan crosses (and little else) helping to get the Australian artillery up the bush tracks of the range and singing in 10 part harmony. They humorously called the nonChristian Australians – ‘Cargoes’ – after the pagan cargo cults of the highlands. They laughed at the white complexities and ways, military protocols and technology. They did great imitations and take offs on the British officers, the Japanese bushido for the wounded enlisted men. They joked about the enlistees eating mouldy rations instead of sharing their claypot meals of fresh meat, fish, taro, yam, pumpkin and banana. They evacuated the Australian wounded by bush track under artillery bombardment and their skill with bush medicines saved many lives.
The Clan crosses of those highland villages – often given as farewell gifts – are among the most sacred Australian war memorabilia. I have a Orokaira Cross (from the Seventh Day Adventist village) on my family shrine, it hangs by a leather thong with a bird of paradise feather. Our local ambulance station has a small statue which was cast of the famous photograph of Raphael Oindari leading the blind Australian Digger.
On the back of the Orokaira Cross given to my grandfather is inscribed the lines from the old Protestant Sunday School Song: ‘This is my Father’s world. I rest me in the thought’
This comes from Ioribaiwa of Sept 1942 where the Australian retreat from Imita Ridge became an onslaught back over the Trail.
The Australian artillery was out of range of the Japanese emplacements overlooking the capitol of Port Moresby. The Royal Australian Sappers of the 2/6 Field Company had to get their artillery across the Goldie River and up to Ioribaiwa Ridge in front of the infantry and within range of the Japanese emplacements. And they had to evacuate the Australian wounded from the ridges. The Sappers had to build a flying fox and a stairway (later the Golden Stairway) up to the ridge. The Gabriels were not afraid of going up to the Ridge after the wounded under Japanese artillery fire, but they were mortally afraid of the crocodiles of the Goldie.
The Christian Officers told them. “The ridges around Moresby belong to the Japanese. The wounded belong to us. The crocodiles in the Goldie belong to the Lord. We will look after our wounded and the Lord will look after his crocodiles. Tomorrow we are going into the Goldie and we are going to bridge it.” Then they sang to the Gabriels the old Protestant Sunday School song: ‘This is my Father’s world’. And the Gabriels took it up and sang it to the men, even the Cargoes who didn’t believe a word of it but were going to follow their orders.
The rest is, as they say – history.
Today, Jan 7, 2010 is the Second Day in the Octave of the Epiphay in the universal Calendar of the West.
Constantly I am distracted from the holy liturgy by thoughts about ‘no wonder the new order wants to get rid of this’ as the traditional liturgy makes very clear in the text and the translation of the appointed scripture, psalms, the antiphons, the sermons from the Fathers and the Doctors – this distinction between Jews of Judea, the Israelites of the Covenants (who received Christ)and the Israelites who mixed with the Edomite conversos (Jews) who usurped the Chair of Moses and subverted the Israelite faith with Judaism / the Pharisaic traditions of the Elders.
For example Ps 71 – (which in the RSV is Ps 72) – one of the Psalms appointed for the Octave of Epiphany
Deus, judicum tuum..
Give to the King Thy judgement, O God and justice to the King’s Son.
Ps 71:13, 14 in the liturgy has “He shall spare the poor and needy, and he shall save the souls of the poor (14) He shall reem their souls from usuries and wickedness – Ex usuris et iniquitate.
None of the accepted new bibles like the Jerusalem translate even the Psalms with the precision that is set down in the Ordo.
These are very good comments.
calebsleftstump,
A. you don’t know me from Jim Beam, so while I don’t claim any particular greatness, you have no idea of my virtues or shortcomings
B. it’s “than”, grammar-king
C. sinful pride’s got nothing to do with it; Christianity is preposterous and a malignant cancer that has brought our people to the very precipice of destruction. We’ve always fought each other, but under the old gods never filled with the blind hatred and devastating consequences as following the introduction of the new-fangled religion that spurred us on to inconceivable slaughter in the name of a godman who never even existed. We were never in danger of going extinct under Odin, Thor, Balder, etc. Continue to engage in self-deception if you’re unable to face the truth. Many aren’t. It’s no skin off my nose, just don’t expect me to participate in the madness. Been there, done that.
To calebsrightarm :Much of what you said makes sense–If you read Calvin’s commentary on Acts 17:26 it makes sense, and from this understanding it can be argued that miscengenation is not allowed. God created diversity in the races, and if they mix that diversity would be destroyed,–God set the boundries.
Matt 15:21-28 poses problems—Yes, I agree that when Jesus says I only am for the house of israel, it shows that there is a priority for Kin over non- kin. That’s obvious. I believe HIS statement,–that he was sent ONLY for the Lost Israel sheep —- So therefore, the New Covenant IS NOT for anyone BUT The house of Israel. I alluded to this in an earlier post. The New covenant was only to Israel. No other group. Jesus says this in Matt 15. Well, then…… How come it is later preached to all the NATIONS–Jesus commands “all nations” in Matt 28:19 does he not? Does he contradict himself? I mean he had said “only to the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL” why now to “ALL NATIONS”? let me tell u why—-
The “lost sheep Of the house of Israel’ that Jesus said he ONLY came for BECAME many NATIONS(not races). NATIONS. This was prophesied to occur –read gen 48:19-20 :”his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a multitude[d] of nations.” WHO BECAME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS? WHO BECAME MANY NATIONS? or as the ESV bible has in a footnote on Gen 48:19 : Hebrew ‘fullness’—-meaning Fullness of Nations or Fullness of the gentiles(goyim)—Now did you ever hear that phrase mentioned before? …? Now turn to Romans 11:25 and you will find that phrase–fullness of the gentiles(multitude of gentiles) –
Let me repeat—Who was to become a multitude of nations? A ‘fullness of the gentiles”
Gen 48:19? —Now go to Hosea 8:8…..
THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL that Jesus came ONLY for, became MANY different Nations after they were exiled. They also had become blinded to their true identity after many years in exile—Jesus came to gather them back
—so when he told the diciples to go to the nations–why? Was it because he wanted to ‘save’ every Tom, Dick,and Harry? no no no –he only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.He said so. China not on the itinerary.
other issues: Denying what I just said above–and instead believing that the gospel is to go to every single person in the whole world of every race—-it is hard to mesh a passage like Acts 17:26, with all the other passages that emphasize that believers(whether kin or non kin), ie-those that ‘do the will of God” trump those that are relatives. I already gave the passage in an earlier post—Jesus says your true brothers and sisters are those that do the will of God–are those that are believers.He also talks about setting families apart–Jesus will bring division in families.
The christian church bears this out—it has divided the white race–people shun, fought and even killed each other over christian doctrine. it has not unified the race. It’s emphasis has always been–”what does that person, believe?” Kinship has not been it’s emphasis, ever. Is it any wonder it is not it’s emphasis now?
If most whites in the past believed in segregation between the races, was that because of christianity or in spite of it? Many Christians in the 1800′s were liberals on race, too.
But most importantly, Christians in the past two thousand years also believed in segregation between whites, if i may put it that way.(they would hate on each other)–divided up in sects–accusing each other of not being christians–of being of the devil–they would fight each other etc–The history of christianity shows it has divided the white race. That’s The big fact and the most inportant. Whether or not whites in the past didn’t want to hang around or marry pygmies or hotton-totts is really irrelevant. Why, the christians after so many hard centuries of missionary work has civilized these people-things have changed.
I think the main question we need to ask ourselves is this: If ‘christianity’ ‘The new testament’ are so empowering when it comes to alerting the West to the perils of multi-culturalism, then why are we so weak and ineffective as a result of relying on them?
Thank You all for your time.
White America’s conflict is with Jewry. The Bolshevik / Zionist front of Jewry clearly wants a 3 way ‘let the tigers fight it out’ race war in America. Look at the number of Grand Orient Lodges going up all over N. America. If the Whites think that Jewry should have its way in this, they are not thinking tactically.
Do not lose sight of the fact that the Blacks have been fitted up as ‘The Foot’ against White America. The heinous race / hate crimes that they commit against White Americans are acts of race provocation and war under priviledged media blackout.
The Whites need to come up with some good strategies to play the ‘race card’ on the racially supremacist Judiac Power and divide the Blacks from their power / support base in Jewry.
In my experience, the Blacks can make very fine Christians interested in cultivating their own people – starting with baptismal regeneration. Christians – of whatever race – as a rule are very interested in cultivating their own ethnos and culture. This ‘sense of the faith’ leads us to seek the elevation and enhancement of ‘our own’ in Christ. And congregations want to assist each other to do this in the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
It should not be lost on us that the greatest among the Christian saints desired and cultivated the simplicity of a ‘lillies of the field’ way of the life that is the portion of souls, nations, races that are not particularly gifted intellectually and technically.
Both the Aryans and the Jews have these gifts in spades, but it is not intellect or technical ability that will decide this conflict which at base Spiritual and racial. The conflict between Jacob and Esau is still being played out here.
“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel” Ro 9:6 And just as true Israel which recognized and crowned Israel’s Messiah in fulfillment of the Abrahamic, Israelite, Mosaic and Davidic Covenants – gathered Gentile nations into New Covenant, so false Israel which rejected the Messiah was gathered into Esau, Jewry together with all nations that oppose the Messiah and New Covenant.
In short, the latter oppose the universal Kingship of our Lord.
This is a universal conflict. And at present most of the White race is on the side of the ideolatries like social Darwinism created by Jewry for the apostasy and demoralization of the European nations. They may well take the race bait and play the hand dealt by Jewry in the interests of survival itself.
See the important interviews with Professor Kevin MacDonald on Real Zionist News
“Why Jews Support Black Causes” http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=472
“Jewry’s Creation of ‘White Guilt’ Interview with Professor Kevin MacDonald”
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=468.
Lynda,
You are a treasure, madam. Many thanks for these illuminating posts.
DW,
Essentially, what you have missed is the spiritual unity the gospel fosters between all men, and the physical diversity that is yet enjoined upon all men, for their own good, and the greater Glory of God. Both are true. Both are taught in Scripture. Both reflect the trinity and unity of our Holy God.
Having said that, do men, even christian men, often fail in the ‘living out’ of their faith with fear and trembling? Absolutely. And yet that isn’t God’s fault, nor does it make His Word deficient. But the word does transform us as we submit ourselves to it’s teachings. I am now convinced by the Word, that blood is thicker then water, and I must prefer ‘my own’ as an article of my faith. Consequently, I just purchased products from my sister-in-law, who is a christian and a near relative, instead of buying the same products from my former pastor, who is a christian though not a near relative. It’s costing me a little more; but this small detail is only God’s way of testing our resolve. Do we believe or not? Then who cares about dead Presidents printed on green pieces of paper, obey your Lord! This is a small thing I admit, but many small things together produce a consistent life-style. We are told in the scriptures not to despise the day of small beginnings. As a movement, kinism is very small–but it is already making waves within the church and is creating dialog with kin outside the church.
I admit the church universal has fostered kinship selectively, mostly for black, brown and yellow races but not whites. In addition whites have often been their own worst enemy, in blaming the church for a lack of unity and inter-white-tribal cooperation and respect. Other races do not abandon their preferences for their own when they convert to Christ. Yet, overwhelmingly, we do. This radical egalitarian spirit that has afflicted our own does not come from the Scriptures, but from enlightenment thinking run amok.
CD,
Thank you for the grammar lesson. All I can say is, you better be right, for if you are, I will return to the ground from which I came and that will be the end of me. I will lose nothing but the fleeting pleasures of sin if you’re right.. but you will spend eternity in screaming misery if I’m right. Now which one of us is deluded?
calebs, and that’s what it always comes back to with you fundamentalists, isn’t it? Scare tactics. If you can’t get ‘em in the boat with the same worn, silly, pseudo-scholarly apologetics, just try to scare the bajeezus out of ‘em with the “eternal screaming misery” stuff. Do y’all not realize how transparent you are? And even that rarely works anymore, but you guys don’t care because that’s not the point, is it. It’s not a sincere warning so much as wishful thinking i.e. I hope God burns you to a cinder, you evil unbeliever, mwahahahaha! BURN!!!
“Now which one of us is deluded?”
Stiil you. Sorry.
CD,
Look, I didn’t invent the eternal screaming misery; no one spoke more about hell than Jesus Himself. And no, I don’t like to think of ANYONE going that route. Not even you.