Gregory Hood writes: “Conservatism and libertarianism were tried and they failed. They are only useful insofar as they serve as stepping stones to the white republic.” Actually, conservatism and libertarianism have not gone anywhere (libertarianism has literally gone nowhere, thank God, because it has never advanced beyond theory). Greg Johnson speaks in the same terms about Christianity, and the trouble with doing this sort of thing should be obvious. Margaret Mead once said: “Never underestimate the power of a small group of committed people to change the world. In fact, it is the only thing that ever has.” Racialists and nationalists profess to understand this very well, but many of them contradict themselves by waiting for the Big Idea to bring about the Big Event. And if it doesn’t happen before they lose patience, they move on to the next Big Idea and jettison whatever promoted the previous Big Idea, even if they are only able to identify it with caricatures.
Old Gilbert Chesterton encountered this strange behavior in his own time. He reminded the baptized islands, “The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.” Actually, I don’t think the reprobate ever get to the point of judging the faith according to a level of difficulty. Their only objective is to discredit it, because the alternative is to acknowledge the reality of sin and their own impending death. Only by the power of the Holy Spirit do we find the stomach to peer into that dark hole of the soul.
Johnson gives us some good examples of the widespread desire to rage against caricatures. He charges Christianity with being:
1. One of the primary sources of Jewish power in the West
2. Universalist
3. Egalitarian
4. Altruistic
5. Too willing to turn the other cheek
Of course, we Kinists have pressed similar charges against many who profess to be Christians. But is orthodox and historic Christianity guilty of these things? Quite obviously, no. There are no greater enemies in the Bible and throughout the history of the West than Christians and Jews. The Bible very clearly calls Jews “anti-Christs.” Yet the numerous crimes committed against our people have not instilled in us a sense of revenge. Go ask Ernst Zundel if he is consumed with revenge against his enemies. Yet they are no less his enemies and he is no less resolute. Yes, the Christian faith instills altruism, which is selflessness. This is one of the primary virtues for building both marriages and nations. What has selfishness and refusal to turn the other cheek wrought? I’ll tell you what: strife rather than cooperation, failed marriages, no children or alienated children, and a white nationalist movement that is making a lot of noise in the present but has staked no real claim to the future because its legacy is being propagated by malcontents rather than heirs. White patriots are failing for the same reason that the 21st century Church is failing; just as the Church has forsaken trinitarianism and embraced egalitarianism, the Right has been obliged to view the Church according to these terms. This is a case not so much of the blind leading the blind as the blind mocking the blind for stumbling into walls. Both sides are unwilling to be guided by our own past, which was guided, however fallibly, by God’s law, which the Bible calls “a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.” Our Christian “racist” forefathers were triumphant precisely because they were not egalitarians. They knew that equality is antithetical to liberty. They knew that unity is not monistic, not even in the Holy Trinity. The “one and the many” is reflected throughout God’s creation. Greg Johnson is only able to charge Christians in our time with universalism because the law of God is not being followed.
Johnson goes on to say that he is reluctant to ally with Christians because he is “afraid that they will yellow out when things get tough and they are forced to choose between their Christian values and racial loyalty.” (Picture Charles Martel in your mind when you read that statement.) Therefore, he considers it prudent for the broader white movement to remain “neutral on religious matters.” Here we arrive at an impasse, because we Kinists (and Kinism must be recognized as a fundamentally Christian, pro-White school of thought) believe that our race fully deserves to perish if it obstinately rejects its Savior. Our only hope is in the fact that God does not often allow us to reap what we deserve, because His love for us is so great that He allowed Himself to be killed in our place. This is called grace, and it is a foreign concept to anyone who dismisses altruism and turning the other cheek as “Jewish superstition.” But this is just another way of saying that the history of the West is a foreign concept to those who fail to recognize grace. It’s not too surprising in light of the fact that grace is supernatural. It does not derive from nature, and therefore it is not to be found in the wildest imaginations of Darwinists. Johnson writes: “Just as my race is my nation, my race is my religion as well. I need no other.” We Kinists are quite different. If we were to place our race, our families, or even ourselves above God, the sin of pride would plant its seed within us and grow like a cancer until nothing else remains. “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple” (Luke 14:26).
Harold Covington, Richard McCulloch, and others are offering secessionist proposals in the very likely event that our worthless currency will soon be officially pronounced dead and the “Union,” forcibly held together since the time of Lincoln, will finally separate into more natural and manageable parts. Many have anticipated what is soon to occur and have moved their families to homogeneous areas of the country. Some are even writing alternate Constitutions, as Confederates once did. Questions arise during this process, and atheists and pagans, having assured themselves that God is an old wives’ tale, attempt to formulate their own laws. See this page, where Greg Johnson approvingly posts an essay by “Trainspotting.”
I think that homosexuality is neither a sin (an offense against the God of the Jews) nor an illness, but rather it is something that might be called a “natural suboptimal condition,” like baldness or myopia or a propensity to pack on the pounds…
The idea that homosexuality should be treated as a crime is a relic of benighted times when people thought that other mental illnesses were evidence of witchcraft or demonic possession and should be “treated” by torture and burning at the stake…
[T]he problem is not interracial sex or marriage per se. The problem is interracial babies.
This is progress? This is a new day dawning?
The attempt to move large numbers of pilgrims to majority white areas of the country is not going to produce the desired effect absent the faith that our fathers brought with them to this land. The reason for this is simple: Nationalists hope for a renaissance to spread among their people in precisely the same way that Christianity spread among them. Christians never had to go in search of a place where they were the majority. The faith spread organically. “Well, sure,” some will say. “That’s because Christianity is an idea. It’s not tangible like flesh and blood.” Christ anticipated this very response and left us to tarry with the bread and wine of communion, and with water to baptize every new child born into our baptized nation. Christianity thus becomes an intersection of the physical and spiritual. White nationalism is an idea whose time has come around again, but it will never get anywhere if it is nihilistic rather than rooted in grace. Our fellow whites have heard this tune for a long time, and they’re not impressed, because nihilism is incompatible with life. And life is the very thing we need! The future belongs to those who are passing life to successors.
Give Kinism a chance. We offer a proposal of our own which we hope will become an integral part of the various secession movements in the works. With the genealogical networks that technology has made easily available, lists of pedigreed white families could be compiled, and it might be possible to feed these into a master list of tribe members. (Dr. Rushdoony said that birth defects were almost entirely eradicated in Armenia because marriages were not allowed to commence unless a clean pedigree of at least seven generations could be produced. The same kind of applied eugenics would work for us.) Every name on the tribal roll would have dual citizenship (a nation within an empire), and as the generations go by, this would be the means by which the strange and wayward are excommunicated. This may not seem like such an important thing to do right now, but it will become crucially important in the years ahead as identifying our own people becomes more challenging. Notice that this Kinist proposal is inspired by the organic way in which Christianity spreads. It doesn’t rely on a Big Idea leading to some Big Event (although big events will surely come). No matter where our brothers and sisters may be, they belong to the tribe. And when, in the course of time, we are able to reassert our independence…oh, by God, we will.
Meanwhile, back at the hotel…
{brring, brring}
Hello?
Mr. Lofton? This is the Reverend Doctor Anthony Bradley.
The Anfernee Bradley who was constantly lampooned by Kinists years ago?
One and the same. Listen, I need a favor from you. They just wrote about me again; my Aunt Shirley, actually. Anyway, it’s not important. Could I go on your show? I need to do something to rehabilitate my public image. I gots to represent, nome sayin’? Er, um {clears throat} I mean, I know they disrespected you too recently, and I was just thinking that you would like to pay it back.
Well, it did chap my ass when I couldn’t answer their complicated questions. And then they portrayed me as Wile E. Coyote, holding up a “HELP!” sign just before he gets creamed by an oncoming train. I think my policy of ignoring them is working well enough, but sure, let’s do it. They’ll hate it if I give air time to someone who is using miscegenation to overturn thousands of years of racism. All in the name of the gospel, of course. Nyuk, Nyuk.
Here’s the interview. In it, Lofton repeats what he said here, which is that the only kind of “race” found in the Bible is an athletic contest. He then makes the equally ludicrous statement that the poor in the Bible are always spiritually rather than economically impoverished. Bradley babbles about “Judeo-Christian values” being the source of civil liberties. They get into a weird discussion about Lester Maddox at the end, concluding that if you refuse to serve certain customers in your restaurant, it means that you are denying that the same are created in God’s image. But that’s just another way of saying that there is no liberty. Both make an idiotic distinction between a curse on Ham and a curse on Ham’s son, Canaan. Lofton takes Bradley to task for saying that slaves in the South had no rights, but then the sound cuts out. Both agree that Southern slavery was unscriptural because it was race-based. But slavery in the Bible was also race-based. All slaves who were not of the Israelite tribes were held permanently. Blood was the determining factor in whether freedom in the Year of Jubilee applied to them. The Apostle Paul tells slaves that they should seek freedom if they can but to be otherwise content in their station. There is absolutely nothing in Scripture to indicate that Southerners sinned by giving Negroes the only life that is amenable to their nature. To this very day they are unable to govern themselves.
This is what happens when white men lose their minds and treat blacks as their equals. Unimaginable horror.
As you know, we asked Lofton if he has the guts to deny that his Judeochristian innovations are radically different from what our Christian forefathers believed, and all he could do was play word games. This comment from the previous post shows how Lofton and Bradley are far afield from the faith. While they think Christian restaurant owners and landlords should be shamed and stigmatized for serving some people and not others (their objection being that Christians are to treat all who are created in God’s image equally in every respect), the pre-1950 Christians disagreed entirely. The Thirty-Fourth Article of the Church of England tells us that it “is not necessary that traditions and ceremonies be in all places one or utterly alike; for at all times they have been diverse, and may be changed according to the diversity of countries, times, and men’s manners, so that nothing be ordained against God’s word.”
We also hear from Judeochristians that, since we all came from Adam, national borders are irrelevant between Christians, and white people especially have no right to make laws for themselves. Judeochristian churches in Britain are so serious in their opposition to the BNP that they are forbidding full church membership for those who are also BNP members. One Methodist spokeswoman explains why: “Every human being is created in the image of God and every person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, regardless of their nationality.” This is the same kind of nonsense that Lofton and Bradley would understand. “Dignity” and “respect” take on whole new meanings that prevent native tribes from protecting their own interests, government, culture, customs, and heritage. In other words, no dignity and respect at all is accorded to whites. And still, the Judeochristians persistently yammer about “liberty.”
Here are some old quotes from Anthony Bradley, the Affirmative Action Ph.D.:
White supremacy in the Memphis/Bartlett area is still alive in many churches among the kinists. Remember that city lynched three business men in 1892 is [sic] the same area, a few generations later, that [sic] murdered Dr. Martin Luther King, and continues to this day to be a safehaven for many of today’s kinists.
[L]ynchings are the natural result if the Kinist [sic] have influence. After Emmett Till, Moores [sic] Ford, etc [sic] should bring about repentance not kinism.
The KKK vs. Reformed Kinists (& Some Southern Reformed Theocrats) – What’s the difference? Really?
Most conservative churches would not allow people to come to church with their white robes and hoods but they have known kinists and yet do nothing.
Just after these comments equating Kinists with murderers were posted, a death threat was issued to the radio station where the Political Cesspool show is broadcast, and the Friday night show had to be canceled.
Most of Bradley’s shtick (if you will forgive the Yiddish) is merely designed to make himself appear “relevant” though. His euphemisms for violating the Fifth Commandment are “abandoning old apprehensions” and “engaging the culture.” After giving a speech, he complimented himself:
I talked a lot about the emerging churches, continuity and discontinuity with the early church, and the connection to hip-hop. The paper after mine was excellent as well.
He chided stodgy white parents:
You may have listened to Motown but you weren’t dating interracially (you weren’t bringing your black, Latino, or Asian boyfriend home to meet your Dad), you weren’t trying to dress like what you thought was ‘black,’ you weren’t ‘rebelling’ against your parents by immersing yourself in black youth cultural icons, etc. You weren’t trying to talk like what you thought was cool black youth speech. You weren’t wearing cornrows and wave caps. You didn’t have posters of black men hanging on the walls in your bedrooms. You had no Eminem. Boomers never embraced black youth culture like white kids today are doing.
The stuff about slavery brings to mind The Legend of Evil by Rudyard Kipling:
This is the sorrowful story
Told when the twilight fails
And the monkeys walk together
Holding their neighbours’ tails: –
“Our fathers lived in the forest,
Foolish people were they,
They went down to the cornland
To teach the farmers to play.
“Our fathers frisked in the millet,
Our fathers skipped in the wheat,
Our fathers hung from the branches,
Our fathers danced in the street.
“Then came the terrible farmers,
Nothing of play they knew,
Only. . .they caught our fathers
And set them to labour too!
“Set them to work in the cornland
With ploughs and sickles and flails,
Put them in mud-walled prisons
And — cut off their beautiful tails!
“Now, we can watch our fathers,
Sullen and bowed and old,
Stooping over the millet,
Sharing the silly mould,
“Driving a foolish furrow,
Mending a muddy yoke,
Sleeping in mud-walled prisons,
Steeping their food in smoke.
“We may not speak to our fathers,
For if the farmers knew
They would come up to the forest
And set us to labour too.”
This is the horrible story
Told as the twilight fails
And the monkeys walk together
Holding their kinsmen’s tails.
Admin:
I want to thank you for highlighting this huge stumbling block we have with our blood brothers. How is it that they cannot see themselves committing the same, post-modern sins for which they deride their supposed opposites? Is it as simple as pride? Why can’t they recognize the allegiance (and greatness) of their fathers? How is it reasonable to question our bravery, as perhaps the only group more scorned than them? Every time I get into an exchange with them, we see face to face, but there is a large column close to them: For me, a small dead spot on their soul, for them, an inability to see 45 degrees of the the whole world’s panorama. Can it be removed, and if so, does it take both, or can I alone do it? Or is it meant to stay and I should move on?
I encourage everyone, who has the time, to read through that thread at Occidental Dissent, especially the comments.
It seems to me as though these people are vital, that they need to come with us into the troubling time ahead. Maybe I’m just being sentimental? Can you trust a man that has no God but himself? Wouldn’t they want us to build on sand? It has always seemed odd to me that they have to deliberate as to whether they can check their disgust enough (whether it is worth it!) to bring along 100 million brothers who are just a few-weeks-of-hard-times-away from being the only remaining organized institution of freely and regularly meeting white people in this country. We are regenerate in these times of plenty, but I suspect the sinless, feelgoodism of today’s congregations will be getting much of that “old time religion” in a hurry, when the times get tough.
I was never one of them, never jousted over propositions for political motivation. Rather Christ struck me, “like I was shot … like I was shot with a diamond … a diamond bullet right through my forehead.” My prior allegiance was always to the Truth – and have always recognized the steaming pile that is most of contemporary discourse… mostly to disguise or evade the Truth. Would it be enough to recommit to the Truth, or will whites need to recommit to That Source Of Truth?
I’ll stop babbling, but what to thank you for “listening” and for your writing.
The first gift God gave me (after Himself) was to put away my fears, so I sign,
Mike
In that interview, Lofton again proves to be a liar/prevaricator. When asked on this site if he has other races in his family, Lofton said he wasn’t sure how to detect race, that he wasn’t even sure what race he was.
Yet in the linked interview he says he is “as a white person…I’m white all day and all night…”, “as one finite, white human being…”, distinguishes between white and black Christian leaders, asks Bradley, “You’re black, right?”
Race makes for amiable conversation when speaking to a fellow egalitarian.
To Johnson’s charge that Christianity is one of the primary sources of Jewish power in the West, I quoth:
“…the commercial mind has its own vision and it is the vision of Carthage. It has in it the brutal blunder that was the ruin of Carthage. The Punic power fell, because there is in this materialism a mad indifference to real thought. By disbelieving in the soul, it comes to disbelieving in the mind. Being too practical to be moral, it denies what every practical soldier calls the moral of an army. It fancies that money will fight when men will no longer fight. So it was with the Punic merchant princes. Their religion was a religion of despair, even when their practical fortunes were hopeful. How could they understand that the Romans could hope even when their fortunes were hopeless? Their religion was a religion of force and fear; how could they understand that men can still despise fear even when they submit to force? Their philosophy of the world had weariness at its very heart; above all they were weary of warfare ; how should they understand those who still wage war even when they are weary of it? In a word, how should they understand the mind of Man, who had so long bowed down before mindless things, money and brute force and gods with the hearts of beasts? They awoke suddenly to the news that the embers they had disdained even to tread out were again breaking everywhere into flames; that Hasdruba’al was defeated, that Hanniba’al was outnumbered, that Scipio had taken the war into Spain; that he had carried it into Africa. Before the very gates of the golden city, Hanniba’al fought his last fight for it and lost; and Carthage fell as nothing has fallen since Satan. the name of the New City remains only as a name. There is no stone of it left upon the sand. Another war was indeed waged for the final destruction but the destruction was final. Only men digging in its deep foundations centuries after found a heap of hundreds of little skeletons, the holy relics of that religion. For Carthage fell because she was faithful to her own philosophy and had followed out to its logical conclusion her own vision of the universe. Moloch had eaten his children.”
G.K. Chesterton. “The War of Gods and Demons”. The Everlasting Man. 1974. London: Burns & Oates, 149.
Today we know and understand who the Phonecians were and what was the Punic power together with its great colony of Carthage and New City.
The ancient foe has arisen by a new name and established a new Leviathan International Empire state.
“If, after all these ages, we are in some sense at peace with pagainsm, and can think more kindly of our fathers, it is well to remember the things that were and the things that might have been. For this reason we can take lightly the load of antiquity and need not shudder at a nymph on a fountain or a cupid on a valentine. Laughter and sadness link us with things long passed away and remembered without dishonour; and we can see not altogether without tenderness the twilight sinking around the Sabine farm and hear the household gods rejoice when Catullus come home to Sirmio. DELETA EST CARTHAGO.”
Ha! Excellent find, confed!
I’m detecting a strange odor. If I’m not mistaken, it’s the smell of hypocrisy roasting on a spit.
On the subject of secession in this post, Pat Buchanan’s latest column, titled “The Wars of Tribe and Faith,” is a must-read.
http://buchanan.org/blog/the-wars-of-tribe-and-faith-3762
Human Events has actually censored parts of it.
Go-Pat-Go reminds us that those who were shocked by the fall of Yugoslavia were even more shocked by “the sudden emergence of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo on the map of Europe.”
The American empire will fall, and from the ashes will rise ethno-religious states.
“Ethnonationalism, that relentless drive of peoples to secede and dwell apart, to establish their own nation-state, where their faith is predominant, their language spoken, their heroes and history revered, and they rule to the exclusion of all others, is rampant.”
This is the sort of language that lying preachers call hateful and racist.
…What has selfishness and refusal to turn the other cheek wrought? I’ll tell you what: strife rather than cooperation, failed marriages, no children or
alienated children
uhh…sorry, drongo!
that’s been caused by the KIKEz….go read MacDonald, you effin’ ignoramus!
jews promote faggotry, feminism, contraception (white man pesticide) & abortion (white man genocide)…uhh…they also promote rabid “individualism”!
hence, plummeting white birth rates & sky-rocketing white divorce rates (almost 50% in 0zz!)
…and a white nationalist movement that is making a lot of noise in the present but has staked no real claim to the future because its legacy is being
propagated by malcontents rather than heirs…
again: the kikes!
fedZOGjewSA infiltrates & undermines almost ALL legitimate WN organisations, gaoling & persecuting its leaders!
(cf: Matt Hale, Chester Doles, Shaun Walker, David Duke)!
get a clue, you fool!
the jews are our misfortune….the jew is the root of all evil!…NO jews! just RIGHT!
(oh…lookee!…”admin” is so upset by my post, which, of course, he hasn’t got “a snowballs`s” of refuting that, after a hissy fit, he decides not to publish it!)
One has to wonder what John Lofton makes of Buchanan’s statement. Lofton was once a huge supporter of Buchanan’s presidential bids. And now here comes pugnacious Pat, talking about ethnonationalism. Must be very frustrating for a fellow like Lofton, who, according to his own words, doesn’t even know to which race he belongs.
My theory, Jimbo, is that Admin lets you out of your cage from time to time so that the Christians who reading here, working our thinking and responding can see what we are up against with White Nation.
Jewry is being named and shamed here. But then to realize this you have to read the report and the blogroll.
This is no substitute for taking personal responsibility. We are not victims.
There is a difference between this approach and bashing / trashing Jews and goyim chimpouts.
Jimbo-If the “Kikez” (why the ghetto spelling anyway?) are responsible for everything, then they are far too powerful and cannot be defeated. Could they force white men to butcher each other across the Medieval age, and to stain Britain red with Saxon and Celtic blood? Are the Jews exclusively to blame for Shiloh and Sharpsburg and the Transvaal and Ypres and the Somme and Stalingrad and Dresden and all the rest of the horrors of the ages? James 4:1-2 answers your question, but you and the rest of those dying in their unbelief won’t hear.
From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
The Jews can create an environment that promotes contraception and divorce and illegitimacy. They cannot force every white woman to swallow the pills or to whore themselves out. The Jews are not the root of all evil. Rebellion against the Creator and Lawgiver is the root of all evil, and the Jews are a product of that rebellion. The Jews hold sway over a faithless people who have spit in the face of their God and continue to hate and revile him in the middle of worsening affliction. The evil in the heart of man causes him to listen to the lies promoted by Jews. Self worship of a people who, according to you, are powerless in the face of aggression is the height of foolishness.
Watch Gary DeMar deny human biology:
http://www.americanvision.org/article/racial-politics-and-the-three-fifths-myth-/
His killer argument against racism is that the Bible says all nations were made of one blood – “clearly an anti-racist statement.” But by quoting that passage from Acts, he must realize that the Bible acknowledges the existence of smaller homogeneous groups within the human race. And that undercuts his premise that the concept of race was invented by Darwinists.
In the case of theonomists like DeMar, it’s not so much deliberate race betrayal as intellectual and exegetical apathy that makes them ineffectual. To them, the question of race is dismissed with a few tired platitudes and a “reductio ad Darwinium.”
Exactly, Siegfried. If all NATIONS come from one blood, what part of the word NATIONS doesn’t he understand? It’s like grown men are reduced to slobbering infants whenever they start talking about race, and it’s not because they’re stupid. It’s because they’ve weighed the costs of saying out loud that the emperor has no clothes, and they’ve concluded that cowardice is the safest course.
Siegfied and Admin,
Indeed. I asked DeMar why he didn’t quote the rest of the Acts passage. I will likely get no answer. I’ve been preparing a response to DeMar’s view of American slavery in which he writes even more absurdities. The motivation from this recent American Vision blog post is pushing me to finish and post it tonight!
Side question: Do you think DeMar is motivated by the same reasons as Lofton? I look at this profile picture and find it hard to believe that his stock is blue blood.
Re: Demar
I have a semi-friend/super-acquaintance who has a good heart but is an “Army of One” in the Pentecostal Jew-worshipping/end-times cult. Exposing the latter is Demar’s bread & butter talking point.
My friend, per the norm for these types, is in fact only moderately literate (and just plain not-very-smart) despite his claims of heavy immersion “in the Word.” I know for a fact he “puts in the time” in private Bible study that he claims, but I finally figured he was running his eyes over the pages, with only moderate comprehension, essentially lying to himself. Predictably, he has (or imagines he has) Biblical “proofs” of every “plain truth” whackiness that he’s been spoon-fed by the televangelists/judas goats to whom he’s addicted.
It’s exasperating.
When Demar intellectually pulls that same lazy s***, it’s infuriating. Doubly so due to the irony that his baseline schtick is debunking the stupidy of the “rapture” cult. He’s got plenty of brainpower; he’s just a coward. Which is why for all their flash, American Vision can only spiral down–just like the early American Christendom to which to which they claim such allegiance.
But I’m sure Demar himself will continue to do just fine. Like all special interest promoters, the perpetuation of the war is always more important than winning it.
Confed,
Did you post on American Vision under the name “Thomas”? Because that was a well-reasoned post. The rest of the debate was mostly what is to be expected when anemic Presbyterian race-deniers are faced with biodiversity.
The Presbyterian race-denier has five arguments:
Tzippora;
Rahab;
Ruth;
“it’s about covenant, not genetics” (whatever that means);
and finally, the phrase “made in the image of God.”
(The funny thing is that by saying that Ruth is a “Moabite” and not an “Israelite,” they are acknowledging that different ethnicities do, in fact, exist! The argument that Israelites practiced interracial marriage only exists if there are, in fact, different races!)
Why, why, why don’t they ever get that you can’t acknowledge the existence of the family and simultaneously deny the existence of race? I’m not even a “Kinist,” per se, but the concept of diversified nations based on common descent – as the names of the tribes suggest! – is so obvious that the DeMarians must be deliberately obtuse not to acknowledge it.
The “young DeMar with a fro” photo does suggest African genes, but I think it’s just the light darkening his bronze Italian features.
Another interesting thing that came out in the discussion was Rusty’s mention of a group called “Reformed Blacks of America.” I don’t know if it’s ever been mentioned before on this site.
http://www.reformedblacksofamerica.org
This could be a step toward black solidarity mixed with good theology – not that blacks need any help with the solidarity part. But the irony is that they claim to seek “indigenous black leadership” – which would mean separate ecclesiastical structures based on race, which was the policy of those detested white Presbyterians of old.
Siegfried,
Mine was the third comment, posted under “j” accidentally. I did not see a post by “Thomas”?
Good observations about their double speak. Either race exists for purposes of distinctions, or it does not for purposes of multiculturalism and denouncing “racists”.
Of course, the Tzippora, Rahab, and Ruth questions have alternative solutions which are more adequate than the a priori interpretations of race-mixers.
Just as a side: The 34 Article pertains mostly to ceremonies and customs in worship. I suppose an argument could be made it likewise pertains to church order. Given England was Erastian, church order included parliament, impacting what we call today, ‘civil rights’. If the church was segregated, then the same segregation or supremacy would likewise apply to the civil realm, at least in terms of suffrage. I guess the same might be said of how space inside church was ordered vs. that in society.
‘Johnson writes: “Just as my race is my nation, my race is my religion as well. I need no other.” We Kinists are quite different. If we are to place our race, our families, or even ourselves above God, the sin of pride could plant its seed within us and grow until nothing else remains.’
Do Kinists believe as Stonewall Jackson believed?
What do Kinists think of Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffett?
“I like immigrants much more than I like most Americans …”
— Glenn Beck, March 24, TV show
I agree that several of the comments on the DeMar page are very good. And then there’s race-mixing hyper-preterist Jeff Vaughn, who writes, “the Geneva Bible notes are indeed racist.”
http://www.americanvision.org/worldviewforum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1548&start=36
Yes! The first Bible in America was racist! But seriously, African slavery was the worst mistake Americans ever made.
I don’t know what they do for Laetare (4th Sunday in Lent) in the Novus Ordo but on the Universal Calendar of the West the reading from O.T. is Exodus 3:1-10 on the subject of Moses receiving the Law of God. The Station is Holy Cross in Jerusalem.
The Response to the Lesson is “Then stood Moses before Pharoah and told him: ‘Thus saith the Lord, let my people go, that they may sacrifice to me in the wilderness’.”
Dimitte populum meum, ut sacrificet mihi in deserto.
Therefore it was the LAST STRAW that Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois arranged for Rabbi Rivon Kryger to give the sermon for the Fourth Sunday in Lent at Notre Dame in Paris.
For “The Pharisees and the Jews hold to the Tradition of the ancients” Mark 7:3 DRV or The Tradition of the Elders as it is styled in The Talmud.
And our Lord’s pronouncement on this is:
“You have made void the commandment of God for your tradition.” Matt 15:6; Mark 7:3-13.
So when Rabbi Kryger took command of the lectern at Notre Dame to commit the sacriledge of addressing the Christian faithful on the subject of Moses and the Law, a contingent of young traditional French Catholics “arose as one body and with one voice receited the Apostles Creed and the Rosary aloud in the cathedral.” Michael Hoffman, “Traditional French Catholics Disrupt Rabbi’s Sermon at Notre Dame”, Wed 24, 2010. Revisionist Review Blogspot.
French television cut the transmission but you can still view this great event in the history of the Church and witness the twat control of the officials who drowned out the voice of the Roman Catholic Church with the organ and choir.
Notre Dame de Paris: Catholics Against Zionism (which would be more appropriately titled) Catholics Against Judaism
http://www.gloria.tv/?media=61422
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx-ga2jnzCA&feature=player_embedded
Most fitting to the young French Catholics is the Responsorial Benediction of the Holy Gospel for Laetare (John 6:1-5 on the Loaves and Fishes) and the Homily of St Augustine
“Behold I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way. Beware of him and obey his voice; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies and an adversary unto thine adversaries, for mine Angel shall go before thee.
“Ecce mitto Angelum meum, qui praecedat te, et custodiat semper: Observa et audi vocem meam, et inimicus ero inimicis tuis, et affligentes te affligam: et praecedet te Angeles meus.”
Qui ut Deus.
Yes, lets not race mix, keep everyone segregated and in a thousand years we’ll all hapily keep to our own ethnic groups.
Yea right. If you provide even more segregation of society (globally speaking), it is natural for conflicts to arise between groups.
However, if in those 1000 years ethnic boundries become increasingly blurred, it is much less likely for wars/conflicts to erupt between groups.
This would be due to everyone being of a similar heritage.
Anon, your comment has no bearing on reality. How else do you think nations have formed over the course of thousands of years except through segregated ethnicities, each of which claims exclusivity from others and determines to govern its own affairs? There have certainly been intermarriages on the margins between ethnicities, but this does not mean that the nations in question had a policy of race-mixing, as you mockingly deride. Far from it.
You should learn from the Bible, and begin by asking why God created distinct tribes in Israel with exclusive inheritances, and banned intermarriage between them unless the inheritance was surrendered. Then you can come back and explain to us why Kinists don’t understand the Bible.
You also suggest that violent conflicts are more likely to arise among homogeneous peoples. This is so preposterous that I hardly know what to say. Compare Sri Lanka, Sao Paulo, and Dallas to the crime rates of any overwhelmingly white place on earth.
The last line of your comment reveals your own prejudice. You KNOW that interracial mixture leads to violence, and your implicit solution is to mix everyone so that we’re all “of a similar heritage.” This hasn’t worked in the places I mentioned above, and it won’t ever work.
Babel does not drive out Babel, and a house divided against itself cannot stand.